Is anyone sick of all the winning?

[Ex-California]

Mass starvation would probably be the best thing that could ever happen to the current US

[Fife]

This is the conclusion I have come to: if the government just totally collapsed, most Americans that don't live in cities or extreme liberal areas would survive just fine.

Even with a massive food disruption, the average American could go months without eating and come out healthier.

It's the cities where shit gets ugly.

I imagine the tipping point could be called the Walmart horizon. If the disruptive event was not enough to knock the Walmart's supply chain off-line, life in the sticks could get along. If the Walmart can't stock its shelves, then everything below the level of the Walmart's supply chain would be in deep doo-doo also.

[Speaker to Animals]

Mass starvation would probably be the best thing that could ever happen to the current US

That's my point, though. I don't think we'd even see it unless the entire world collapsed and something kept people from farming over the course of 1-2 years.

I used to think the progressives would last maybe a month before dying off, but it's just not true. The average American can go a really long time without food. Think about how many people are technically in the obese category. Those guys could last a year without food and be working just fine. The fat people could easily walk far away from the cities without food. The only thing that limits them is water. That's your only danger. You'd have to figure out how to close the borders of your smaller towns and communities from these people, because they will travel like locusts across the countryside.

People will naturally organize into communities and start utilizing land to grow food too. My mother and step-father have a small hobby farm in Florida now. My step-dad regularly takes the seeds from fruit he buys at the store and plants them to grow stuff like papaya. Not every produce you see at the grocery store comes from Monsanto GMO seeds.

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

It's only in the cities that I think shit would become a problem because nobody outside the cities will want those people (or allow them into their communities), and there are too many degenerates and violent criminals inside the city to make it work.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Mass starvation would probably be the best thing that could ever happen to the current US

That's my point, though. I don't think we'd even see it unless the entire world collapsed and something kept people from farming over the course of 1-2 years.

I used to think the progressives would last maybe a month before dying off, but it's just not true. The average American can go a really long time without food. Think about how many people are technically in the obese category. Those guys could last a year without food and be working just fine. The fat people could easily walk far away from the cities without food. The only thing that limits them is water. That's your only danger. You'd have to figure out how to close the borders of your smaller towns and communities from these people, because they will travel like locusts across the countryside.

People will naturally organize into communities and start utilizing land to grow food too. My mother and step-father have a small hobby farm in Florida now. My step-dad regularly takes the seeds from fruit he buys at the store and plants them to grow stuff like papaya. Not every produce you see at the grocery store comes from Monsanto GMO seeds.

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

It's only in the cities that I think shit would become a problem because nobody outside the cities will want those people (or allow them into their communities), and there are too many degenerates and violent criminals inside the city to make it work.

That's fucking genius. I'm doing it next year in my garden.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

Yeah... not quite. The Iroquois burned out their soil doing this and would move on to slash and burn forests and start over again on the newly enriched soil--also their diet incorporated many hunted and gathered foodstuffs, fish, game, each other....

[SuburbanFarmer]

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

Yeah... not quite. The Iroquois burned out their soil doing this and would move on to slash and burn forests and start over again on the newly enriched soil--also their diet incorporated many hunted and gathered foodstuffs, fish, game, each other....

Source?

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Every corner of North America can support people just by using the three sisters method used by Mesoamericans and our Indians. You plant corn as the main crop. Squash grows at the base of the corn stalk and keeps the soil intact and the corn roots protected. Beans grow up along the stalk. Every little corner of land that now has grass growing on it or landscaping can be converted to do this. And people will do it.

Yeah... not quite. The Iroquois burned out their soil doing this and would move on to slash and burn forests and start over again on the newly enriched soil--also their diet incorporated many hunted and gathered foodstuffs, fish, game, each other....

Source?

I just made it up.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Yeah... not quite. The Iroquois burned out their soil doing this and would move on to slash and burn forests and start over again on the newly enriched soil--also their diet incorporated many hunted and gathered foodstuffs, fish, game, each other....

Source?

I just made it up.

Seriously, I'd like info on this. It sounds like an awesome thing that I want to try.

[clubgop]

Actually, my bigger concern would be the Chicago-level corruption spreading across all 50 states, as Governors traded favors for Senatorial seats.

I'd be thrilled if the DNC or GOP imploded - maybe that's what it takes to get a new party or two going.

Umm, you realize the Chicago is a DNC stronghold? Can't blame the Republicans on that one at all.

...and you think the problem there is "Democrats"? You honestly believe that GOP politicians possess some superior moral fiber that would prevent that shitshow from happening?

Well just take a compartive look now. Place like Chicago, Detroit, LA, Philly, Cleavland vs those places controlled by the GOP. In the former, it's easy to be corrupt when you have a bunch of voting livestock that will put up with anything as long as the gravytrain keeps flowing.

[clubgop]

Source?

I just made it up.

Seriously, I'd like info on this. It sounds like an awesome thing that I want to try.

Cannibalism? Sick fuck.