Why Family Values Are Economic Values

[Ex-California]

While I agree with you on most of those points GCF you've confirmed everyone's point that this has everything to do with a lack of family values.

When you have a real family structure around you you're less apt to get swallowed by the hedonism and the greed of the mass media and mass culture.

It does, but my point is that this is an effect of our society - not a loss of "godliness" or the fall of institutional religion.

Also, I don't know how corruption is 'measured', but I think we're reaching unprecedented levels.

Any more corrupt than the Party Boss era of like 1840-1910 in the big Eastern cities?

[heydaralon]

While I agree with you on most of those points GCF you've confirmed everyone's point that this has everything to do with a lack of family values.

When you have a real family structure around you you're less apt to get swallowed by the hedonism and the greed of the mass media and mass culture.

It does, but my point is that this is an effect of our society - not a loss of "godliness" or the fall of institutional religion.

Also, I don't know how corruption is 'measured', but I think we're reaching unprecedented levels.

What is a period in American History that was not extremely corrupt? I can't really think of one tbh

[C-Mag]

Let's take a hypothetical poor person - a white girl named SueAnn.

SueAnn grows up in a trailer park, dad left or beat the shit out of her. Maybe her uncles took a turn in her bed, you know how it is. Brother is smoking meth at 16, steals the family tv, gets arrested.

When our girl hits 18, who is she supposed to marry? She has no marketable skills, barely any education, no social breeding, and nothing to offer a good man. Where does she work, McDonald's? That should lead to success. Highschool - hell, maybe she graduated somehow, but that's the end of the "prosperity chain".

Let's say she's a real go-getter and goes to college on loans, etc. She's a fish out of water, surrounded by PC culture, with a background in the dirt. She gets isolated, frustrated, and drops out.

No wait, Commie Cat! She's a trooper, and does it anyway!!

Ok, well let's pretend that she somehow gets through all of those disadvantages and graduates college. What's next? Job interviews with a trailer park drawl and style don't lead to the BigTime, and she probably majored in nursing anyway (to help take care of her diabetic parents).

So, she gets a job at the local clinic, and pokes needles all day. That's not bad, but she's still single. Time to get a man! And she's back to what she knows - slumming at the trailer park, until some Joe Nowhere plants the seeds of her destruction. Single mama can't work, so back she goes to the trailer, and the cycle begins anew.....

If only she'd really done the HARD STUFF to get ahead, amirite? What a dumb POS she is, for not doing more.

:unfurl the glorious feathers, and drape them around yourself in glory:

Thanks for that window into your mind BroGrump

I really understand you much better, your prejudices and intolerance really comes through clearly.

If you say so. I have sympathy for white trash. They didn't all choose to be that way.

NO YOU DON'T!
You have utter disdain for poor white trash.

You have zero faith in poor people.
You hate rural poor
You see rural folks as stupid inbred hayseeds

[jediuser598]

Only reliable (or I'd say high chance of success) for poor people to get out of poverty is to join the military. If SueAnn did that, she'd have a much higher chance of succeeding.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Thanks for that window into your mind BroGrump

I really understand you much better, your prejudices and intolerance really comes through clearly.

If you say so. I have sympathy for white trash. They didn't all choose to be that way.

NO YOU DON'T!
You have utter disdain for poor white trash.

You have zero faith in poor people.
You hate rural poor
You see rural folks as stupid inbred hayseeds

They are stupid inbred hayseeds. I just choose not to blame them for it.

In some cases, it's their own fault, but for the most part, it's the life that they were assigned to. I look for policies and ideas that could help to change that outcome, and improve their lot in life. Is that wrong?

Do not be confused - I am not against rural living, or the lifestyle. I am against uneducated white trash, living like trash - mostly in condensed trailer parks, but there are plenty sprinkled about the countryside as well. I have nothing but respect for farmers and country folk in general.

[jediuser598]

Thanks for that window into your mind BroGrump

I really understand you much better, your prejudices and intolerance really comes through clearly.

If you say so. I have sympathy for white trash. They didn't all choose to be that way.

NO YOU DON'T!
You have utter disdain for poor white trash.

You have zero faith in poor people.
You hate rural poor
You see rural folks as stupid inbred hayseeds

As rural poor, a lot of them are. They want their 6 pack of nati lite a day, their 3 kids, which the oldest one baby sits the other two, while they yell "America" but have a confederate flag in the ceiling of their truck, with a glove box full of scratch off's. Lived around it most of my life, and while I do have utter disdain for a lot of what they do, I do recognize it as generational poverty. They're doing what their parents taught them to do. They are doing what their culture tells them to do, and it's reinforced on the daily through the music they listen to, their co-workers, and their friends.

[Fife]

SO BRAVE

Speak truth to Trailer Trash; never let the man stop you.

[Viktorthepirate]

Exceptional people will rise above.

But when discussing policy that affects millions, you need to plan for the lowest common denominator.

Groups of poor people without shit tend to get all rowdy and start hanging people.

I do find it interesting that we want to examine every penny given in social spending but we are perfectly cool with blowing shit tons of money on the MIC.

Wealthiest, most powerful nation in world history and we bicker over this shit.

Countries with a lower GDP than California have average citizens enjoying a better lifestyle than our average citizens.

Who benefits from this situation?

[jediuser598]

You know, DBtrek isn't wrong about this, people should have decent jobs/be married (or at least be pretty stable) in their lives before they have kids. But one has to understand why they're not. It's not because they're all stupid. Think of it this way, think of their mental constructs as cars. The same person in a Yugo is not going to do as well as the same person in a Ferrari. Their machinery, from the get go, is just shit, and it takes something to break that cycle to get them out of it. Whereas some people are born into a life that builds them the Ferrari for mental machinery, other people have to actively say no to the Yugo that's being built for them and build the Ferrari themselves.

They have to actively fight and overcome the culture they were born into, where as the other group would be better off if they did not.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Exceptional people will rise above.

But when discussing policy that affects millions, you need to plan for the lowest common denominator.

Groups of poor people without shit tend to get all rowdy and start hanging people.

I do find it interesting that we want to examine every penny given in social spending but we are perfectly cool with blowing shit tons of money on the MIC.

Wealthiest, most powerful nation in world history and we bicker over this shit.

Countries with a lower GDP than California have average citizens enjoying a better lifestyle than our average citizens.

Who benefits from this situation?