How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

[PartyOf5]

We're never going to solve the problems until people are honest about things.

A lot of attention is being given to Jimmy Kimmel and his "plea" on his show for covering pre-existing conditions. Jimmy obviously has a job, and I would assume has health insurance through that job. His son, born with a pre-existing condition, would be covered under that insurance. Now if he was on Obamacare, he'd be covered as well, but with a high deductible of possibly over $10k. Those crying about the cost of care need to take a look at what it would cost even under today's ACA. Insurance under the current ACA doesn't mean you can afford a serious illness.

My employer went to high deductible plans last year. I have to pay $6,500 before anything starts to get paid for by insurance. This plan was enacted by our employer as a direct result of the ACA and the "Cadillac tax" provision. Places with good insurance moved to high deductible plans in order to avoid the additional taxes from the ACA.

So Jedi, when you say your family won't go because it costs too much, but then say the ACA may have saved them, think again. Depending on their employers coverage, maybe. But if they were on a Bronze Obamacare plan they still wouldn't be able to afford it.

[PartyOf5]

Room full of men deciding women's healthcare:


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/roo ... 33b749b713

And you just jumped the shark. Yea, Women are being driven into politics man. Women just WANT to be in politics.

Your avatar is broken, skank.

Yes Obamacare sucks, but it is better than what came before. And we need to do better than Obamacare. Repealing Obamacare isn't the answer.

First, if you want to use this argument, then go tell all those whining about "white privilege" that aren't white to STFU about it. Also, politicians that do not own guns can't vote on gun control laws. It goes on from there.

Second, you are admitting Obamacare sucks, but don't want it repealed. Or is it more accurately that you don't want it repealed by Republicans? If it sucks, then you should be demanding that it be replaced with something better.

[Okeefenokee]

We're never going to solve the problems until people are honest about things.

A lot of attention is being given to Jimmy Kimmel and his "plea" on his show for covering pre-existing conditions. Jimmy obviously has a job, and I would assume has health insurance through that job. His son, born with a pre-existing condition, would be covered under that insurance. Now if he was on Obamacare, he'd be covered as well, but with a high deductible of possibly over $10k. Those crying about the cost of care need to take a look at what it would cost even under today's ACA. Insurance under the current ACA doesn't mean you can afford a serious illness.

My employer went to high deductible plans last year. I have to pay $6,500 before anything starts to get paid for by insurance. This plan was enacted by our employer as a direct result of the ACA and the "Cadillac tax" provision. Places with good insurance moved to high deductible plans in order to avoid the additional taxes from the ACA.

So Jedi, when you say your family won't go because it costs too much, but then say the ACA may have saved them, think again. Depending on their employers coverage, maybe. But if they were on a Bronze Obamacare plan they still wouldn't be able to afford it.

He was rich before Obama was president. In the bad old days before the ACA, Jimmy didn't have to worry about pre-existing conditions, because he could pay cash. He never had to rely upon the ACA, because he was loaded before it ever came along. And now with the threat of the repeal, Jimmy has fuck all to worry about as always because he's got millions.

This faux concern of his is a shameless exploitation of his son's illness to try to score political points.

[jbird4049]

Around and around we go on this.

Come on. Every Western European country, Japan, Canada, and Taiwan all have medical cover for their people that covers (almost) everything, that cost less, and covers everyone. People do not go bankrupt paying for their care, and do not die, or suffer for it's lack as they still do here despite Obamacare.

So there have been at least five serious attempts to pass legislation to cover the entire population. Once each in the '30s, '40s, '60s, '90s, and 2010s. Every time they are defeated, or as in Obamacare's case, deformed into some Frankenstein. All under the war cries of Socialism!

Somehow our exceptional country can not do what all these nations have been doing. Some for over a century. Sure, the various system all have some problems, but they work. And no one, beside some fucked up ideologies, and corruption, can explain why we do not.

[StCapps]

Around and around we go on this.

Come on. Every Western European country, Japan, Canada, and Taiwan all have medical cover for their people that covers (almost) everything, that cost less, and covers everyone. People do not go bankrupt paying for their care, and do not die, or suffer for it's lack as they still do here despite Obamacare.

So there have been at least five serious attempts to pass legislation to cover the entire population. Once each in the '30s, '40s, '60s, '90s, and 2010s. Every time they are defeated, or as in Obamacare's case, deformed into some Frankenstein. All under the war cries of Socialism!

Somehow our exceptional country can not do what all these nations have been doing. Some for over a century. Sure, the various system all have some problems, but they work. And no one, beside some fucked up ideologies, and corruption, can explain why we do not.

America is retarded. That's explanation enough.

[Okeefenokee]

Around and around we go on this.

Come on. Every Western European country, Japan, Canada, and Taiwan all have medical cover for their people that covers (almost) everything, that cost less, and covers everyone. People do not go bankrupt paying for their care, and do not die, or suffer for it's lack as they still do here despite Obamacare.

So there have been at least five serious attempts to pass legislation to cover the entire population. Once each in the '30s, '40s, '60s, '90s, and 2010s. Every time they are defeated, or as in Obamacare's case, deformed into some Frankenstein. All under the war cries of Socialism!

Somehow our exceptional country can not do what all these nations have been doing. Some for over a century. Sure, the various system all have some problems, but they work. And no one, beside some fucked up ideologies, and corruption, can explain why we do not.

I suppose we could stop paying for the defense of half the planet. Sell off all our tanks and fighter jets. Sell the carriers. Sell the nukes. Break the leases on all the bases. Lay off millions of employees. Watch the factories shutter their windows. And accept that our world would then be ran by Russia and China. Then, we'd be able to afford free healthcare for all.

Thing is, all those other places that already have it would be rightly fucked if that happened, because the only reason they can afford free healthcare is because they don't have to pay for their own defense.

You should be proud of your sacrifice. All those people around the world have free healthcare because you're defending their borders for them. It's a very noble thing to do. I'm proud of you.

[Martin Hash]

WTF? There's plenty of money to do everything, as long as productivity exceeds consumption. The only choice is whether to let wealth concentrate in the hands of the few, or redistribute it? That is the ONLY question.

[Okeefenokee]

Since wealth is inanimate, there is no letting or not letting wealth accumulate. You say it that way to hide what you're really saying. You want to stop people from being able to accumulate wealth. The end of that road is totalitarianism. We've seen it enough times. Not interested.

[jbird4049]

Around and around we go on this.

Come on. Every Western European country, Japan, Canada, and Taiwan all have medical cover for their people that covers (almost) everything, that cost less, and covers everyone. People do not go bankrupt paying for their care, and do not die, or suffer for it's lack as they still do here despite Obamacare.

So there have been at least five serious attempts to pass legislation to cover the entire population. Once each in the '30s, '40s, '60s, '90s, and 2010s. Every time they are defeated, or as in Obamacare's case, deformed into some Frankenstein. All under the war cries of Socialism!

Somehow our exceptional country can not do what all these nations have been doing. Some for over a century. Sure, the various system all have some problems, but they work. And no one, beside some fucked up ideologies, and corruption, can explain why we do not.

I suppose we could stop paying for the defense of half the planet. Sell off all our tanks and fighter jets. Sell the carriers. Sell the nukes. Break the leases on all the bases. Lay off millions of employees. Watch the factories shutter their windows. And accept that our world would then be ran by Russia and China. Then, we'd be able to afford free healthcare for all.

Thing is, all those other places that already have it would be rightly fucked if that happened, because the only reason they can afford free healthcare is because they don't have to pay for their own defense.

You should be proud of your sacrifice. All those people around the world have free healthcare because you're defending their borders for them. It's a very noble thing to do. I'm proud of you.

1) Why should we have such a gigantic, wasteful, inefficient, and corrupt Congressional-Military-Industrial Complex?
2) All the NATO countries had the same healthcare even when they were spending far more for the Cold War than they do today.
3) Our healtcare cost 50% more, and does less, than anyone else. We could cover everyone without spending anymore than we do now.

[jbird4049]

Around and around we go on this.

Come on. Every Western European country, Japan, Canada, and Taiwan all have medical cover for their people that covers (almost) everything, that cost less, and covers everyone. People do not go bankrupt paying for their care, and do not die, or suffer for it's lack as they still do here despite Obamacare.

So there have been at least five serious attempts to pass legislation to cover the entire population. Once each in the '30s, '40s, '60s, '90s, and 2010s. Every time they are defeated, or as in Obamacare's case, deformed into some Frankenstein. All under the war cries of Socialism!

Somehow our exceptional country can not do what all these nations have been doing. Some for over a century. Sure, the various system all have some problems, but they work. And no one, beside some fucked up ideologies, and corruption, can explain why we do not.

America is retarded. That's explanation enough.

I almost believe that.