Europe, Boring Until it's Not

[Speaker to Animals]

The problem is the assumption that what bonds exist between nations exist merely because you exist on the same continent. We exist on the same continent as Mexicans, and we wouldn't form a federation with them. Hell, we are very closely related to Canadians, and we sure as shit wouldn't form a federation with those clowns. But all three of us can work together to defend North America.

What bonds that actually exist between nations are ethnic and historical. Americans will go to war if somebody attacks Canada, Britain, Ireland, Australia, etc., because we share a common ethnic and historical bond. We would probably go to war to protect Europeans against some hypothetical Asiatic union because we at least share a racial bond with Europeans.

But that farce you guys have running in Brussels rejects those kinds of bonds. It is trying to exterminate your people with weaponized immigration. It rejects the very bonds that could otherwise justify such a union. So, having done that, they don't really represent your interests at all unless you are a recent Muslim migrant to a European nation seeking good bennies and looking for a little sharia enclave in a European city.

The EU is an enemy to the European people in every way.

[SuburbanFarmer]

... don't tell him about nafta...

[ssu]

The problem is the assumption that what bonds exist between nations exist merely because you exist on the same continent. We exist on the same continent as Mexicans, and we wouldn't form a federation with them. Hell, we are very closely related to Canadians, and we sure as shit wouldn't form a federation with those clowns. But all three of us can work together to defend North America.

Seems that you are forgetting the reason why some Europeans thought that integration could be a good idea. You see we had these things called WW1 and WW2. Those events kind of sucked. They thought something had to be done.

And second of all, the integration that people think is OK, isn't only an EU process. Something like happened well before the present form of the EU between the Nordic states. Borders between the Nordic states have been quite open for a very long time. If I move to Stockholm, the only thing I need to do is to change my postal address. I don't need a passport. I don't need a work permit. There is no regulation limiting me of buying a house in Sweden and living there, taking a job there. If I hurt myself or am sick, I can just go to the nearest health center there. With the change of the address the countries will noticed I moved and later I'll get a letters from the Swedish Tax Office. No fuss. Any American coming here to live is a big fuss. Far more difficult than me getting a green card to the States.

It worked OK among the Nordic countries. Yet there hasn't been any drive for creating the Kalmar Union again. No true urge for a Nordic federation. And that's where the line is drawn. People are in the OK if there isn't a huge bureacracy between doing business or travelling inside Europe. But the idea of an United States of Europe is the thing that isn't universally accepted. Never has been. That's the whole issue: the real debate is in the federalization process, not the process that happened when European Economic Space was created.

What bonds that actually exist between nations are ethnic and historical. Americans will go to war if somebody attacks Canada, Britain, Ireland, Australia, etc., because we share a common ethnic and historical bond. We would probably go to war to protect Europeans against some hypothetical Asiatic union because we at least share a racial bond with Europeans.

Ireland? Not part of NATO btw. Aren't so hot about the British, you know.

And I think you aren't doing anything because of racial bonds... Then you would be soon looking towards Latin America, wouldn't you? The race card isn't favoured in your country, that you will official embrace it.

But that farce you guys have running in Brussels rejects those kinds of bonds.

Well, it's obvious that you a bit ignorant of the history of the European Union.

The shared faith of Robert Schuman (the French Prime Minister and later Foreign Minister), Konrad Adenauer (the Chancellor of West Germany) and Alcide de Gasperi (the Italian Prime Minister), who were all Catholics, meant that they were able to build up a level of trust and respect that enabled them to create a meaningful peace in Europe, and take steps towards the foundation of the European Union. Indeed, these three, who are considered to be some of the ‘Founding Fathers of the EU’, all shared a prayer retreat together in a Benedictine Monastery on the Rhine before signing the Treaty of Paris in 1951, the treaty which set up the European Coal and Steel Community, a precursor to the European Economic Community. In particular, Robert Schuman, whose famous Declaration on 9th May 1950 has been seen by many as the genesis of the European project, believed that the rebuilding of the European community would only be possible if it was “deeply rooted in basic Christian values”. It was some of these values which would have a profound impact on the establishment of the EU, and were essential to maintaining peace in Europe.

- See here

Now inside the EU many do even now uphold the Christianity of Europe, to the annoyance of the leftists. This just gets lost if you just follow the anti-EU right wing reporting, which naturally depicts the EU as infested with cultural marxists.

And the "open-your-borders-to-everybody" policy is actually not something only related to the European Union. For example the Swedes did it quite well on their own (and we of course are mimicking the Swedes, not perhaps totally but still). Likely because the massive influx of Finns earlier didn't create huge problems, but was beneficial to them. (Yet there are not so subtle differences between Finns and Iraqis or Syrians, as they are finding out.)

So that isn't all directly linked to the EU.

[SilverEagle]

Well this may speed up the demise of the EU. If the EU keeps a hard stance and forces immigrants into it's members countries then the Populism movement will gain even more momentum. EU countries will be leaving and regaining their sovereignty.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... 1-10-29-41

[ssu]

Well this may speed up the demise of the EU. If the EU keeps a hard stance and forces immigrants into it's members countries then the Populism movement will gain even more momentum. EU countries will be leaving and regaining their sovereignty.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... 1-10-29-41

Perfect example of the hubris of the Brussel bureaucrats.

For them it's just a temporary inconvenience if some country doesn't accept the Brussel's line. . And that's why everybody hates them.

UK leaving didn't wake up these morons

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Parliament in lockdown: Police open fire outside Westminster and shoot knife-wielding man amid reports of explosion and 'at least 12 pedestrians mowed down on bridge.'
The BBC hasn't released much on this yet, but it's probably safe to assume there's no known motive.

[Speaker to Animals]

Diversity is our greatest strength..

[Xenophon]

Parliament in lockdown: Police open fire outside Westminster and shoot knife-wielding man amid reports of explosion and 'at least 12 pedestrians mowed down on bridge.'
The BBC hasn't released much on this yet, but it's probably safe to assume there's no known motive.

"The suspect was quoted to have said, "Achoo Snack Bar", before being dispatched by the local constabulary. No one knows what that means, and we'll never talk about it again. Obviously one of those lone wolf types."

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Scotland Yard said the attack in Westminster is being treated "as a terrorist incident until we know otherwise".

Whoa, it seems like an attack on Parliament actually counts as terrorism as far as the BBC is concerned. The man beheaded in the street, or the woman raped in broad daylight are just cultural enrichment--but if you try to bust own the gates and attack the MP's, thus the BBC itself, you may be a terrorist.
Terrorist attacks are just "parte and parcel" of living in a major city according to London's Mayor, Sadiq Khan.

Here he is--looks like another one of the pale pesky Amish again.

[Alexander PhiAlipson]

Uh oh--Mayor Khan predicted this. It's probably Trump's fault. With the aid of the Russians, of course.