THE ERA OF TRUMP

[Smitty-48]

Have you read any of Gordon Wood's books on the Revolutionary War? That guy is a heavy hitter in the states on the topic. If so, what did you think?

I haven't read it yet, but Radicalism of the American Revolution is on my list, I'll let you know when I get around to it.

Also, why didn't the British try to make a stronger Alliance with the Confederacy during the American civil war as a kind of payback?

They already had a strong alliance with the Union, by 1861, the British had buried the hatchet and were by then making big money off of America again, they had no interest in going to war with Washington and Wall Street, the British were America's biggest investors.

[Smitty-48]

Also bear in mind, by this time, the British, like the Union, had already sussed out that industrialization trumps fertilization, to wit, incorporation trumps plantation, the Confederacy was built, on what were in effect, family businesses, the British certainly wanted the cotton and tobacco, but they were by this point inclined, to simply buy shares in the American Enterprize, there wasn't really anything in Richmond, which the British could even invest their interests in, what was the Confederacy in the end? Nothing really, there was no there there, it was just a romantic notion, which did not actually have a concrete business plan.

[heydaralon]

They could probably get a shitload of cotton from India and Egypt at that point anyway.

[Smitty-48]

They could probably get a shitload of cotton from India and Egypt at that point anyway.

Indeed, and that was where the British Army needed to be, can't be pulling troops out of the Raj, to defend the Canada's, because you went and provoked Washington, all on behalf of renegade plantation owners, who really had no clue about what they were doing, but were actually just a bunch of hotheads, who had gone and flown off the handle, getting themselves into deep deep shit in the process.

[Okeefenokee]

It's like watching the end of shutter island, when leo falls back into his psychosis, and you see the looks of disappointment on the faces of everyone who realizes he can't be saved.

Or did Leo just pretend to slip back into his psychosis, knowing that he would be lobotomized and not have to live with the memory anymore? Kinda like Oedipus.

Rewatch that ending bro, focus especially on the last question Leo asks before walking off to the lighthouse, there are a couple different ways to look at it.

You suck.

[Okeefenokee]

Nothing special, he just speaks in folksy way to make the average voter feel like he's one of them cause he talks like they do and not like a lawyer or politician, it's not rocket surgery.

So, you're saying he did know that Andrew Jackson was dead long before the Civil War started, and intentionally lied about it so he could appear to have folksy charm? If I was a Trumpster, I'd take that as a dis. He's calling his fans stupid. A winning strategy for his groupies.

I've been waiting for this to come up.

Thinking the civil war started in 1861 is like thinking WW2 started in 1941, and nothing ever happened before then.

Jackson did avert a potential secession, and in doing so prevented a potential civil war.

The roots of WW2 stretch back to at least 1918, and the roots of the civil war stretch back to at least 1887.

The Tariff of 1833 (also known as the Compromise Tariff of 1833, ch. 55, 4 Stat. 629), enacted on March 2, 1833, was proposed by Henry Clay and John C. Calhoun as a resolution to the Nullification Crisis. Enacted under Andrew Jackson's presidency, it was adopted to gradually reduce the rates following southerners' objections to the protectionism found in the Tariff of 1832 and the 1828 Tariff of Abominations; the tariffs had prompted South Carolina to threaten secession from the Union. This Act stipulated that import taxes would gradually be cut over the next decade until, by 1842, they matched the levels set in the Tariff of 1816—an average of 20%.[1] The compromise reductions lasted only two months into their final stage before protectionism was reinstated by the Black Tariff of 1842.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tariff_of_1833

If this was a history forum, I would think some people were out of their league, oh wait.

[Okeefenokee]

I wonder if Trump could figure out something really complicated, like this:

(15,625)^(1/3)

[Okeefenokee]

It's fair to say that Andrew Jackson faced a rising abolitionism v. secession crisis during his presidency, and at one point Jackson did indeed force South Carolina to back down on the road to secession, abeit in the early stages, but it's really Trump's main point which is complete nonsense, the idea that somehow populism would have prevented the Civil War, when in fact the Civil War as the ultimate case of populism run amok.

Damn. Scooped me.

[Okeefenokee]

So was the revolution though

Indeed, and in fact, the Civil War is really just the Second Revolutionary War, the only difference was, in the Second Revolutionary War; the Redcoats won.

It's a recurring point you make, and I don't object, at all, to the idea that it was a further revolution, of a sort. However, the counter-revolution of 1787 is where the real action was , eh?

Damnit, scooped again.

[Okeefenokee]

Indeed, and in fact, the Civil War is really just the Second Revolutionary War, the only difference was, in the Second Revolutionary War; the Redcoats won.

It's a recurring point you make, and I don't object, at all, to the idea that it was a further revolution, of a sort. However, the counter-revolution of 1787 is where the real action was , eh?

More like the Treaty of Versailles; the poison pill, which makes round two inevitable at some point.

Well fuck. What am I even here for?