Brexit

[DBTrek]

I finally know who Monty Python was mocking in Life of Brian:

Check 4:10-4:25

"How shall we fuck off, O lord"?
Indeed.
The constant cry of the helpless Remainer.

[Montegriffo]

Most voted because they were worried about the question of (lessening of) British sovereignty. As in they had voted out because they were worried about the direction the EU's taken since Britain joined and how it might affect future British sovereignty. But hey, it's easier to just jump straight to the clueless racists who just don't get that

I cut the rest of your post because it, again, just referenced your apparant view that it should be economic motivations that trump all other factors.

You have no evidence for the reasons most people voted to leave.
There were multiple reasons varying from fears over sovereignty to disaffection with Tory austerity policies. Reasons also included immigration, rules about the bendiness of bananas (although none actually exist) and lies about £350 million pounds a week to spend on the NHS.

https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/h ... d-and-why/

Nearly half (49%) of leave voters said the biggest single reason for wanting to leave the EU was “the principle that decisions about the UK should be taken in the UK”. One third (33%) said the main reason was that leaving “offered the best chance for the UK to regain control over immigration and its own borders.” Just over one in eight (13%) said remaining would mean having no choice “about how the EU expanded its membership or its powers in the years ahead.” Only just over one in twenty (6%) said their main reason was that “when it comes to trade and the economy, the UK would benefit more from being outside the EU than from being part of it.”

Referencing a YouGov poll on the same question:

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/05/0 ... ice-versa/

First, YouGov asked Leave and Remain voters to say which reason from a list of eight was the most important when deciding how to vote in the referendum. The most frequently selected reason among Leave voters – ticked by 45% – was ‘to strike a better balance between Britain’s right to act independently, and the appropriate level of co-operation with other countries’. The second most frequently selected reason among Leave voters – ticked by 26% – was ‘to help us deal better with the issue of immigration’.

Less than half is not most. Particularly when it is less than half of 52% of those that voted in the referendum.

Avoiding the obvious question of ''so now we trust polls again''.

What you have provided is proof that most people did not vote for reasons of sovereignty.
Taken as a whole of those who voted in the referendum fewer than 25% voted for reasons of sovereignty.
I will claim (without evidence) that most of those who voted to remain did so because of the economic consequences of leaving.

[Fife]

Leave means leave, bro.
Stop the yapping and get to stepping.

[Speaker to Animals]

The voter intentions is fun business.

[Montegriffo]

Leave means leave, bro.
Stop the yapping and get to stepping.

Another useless drive-by Fife-ing indeed.

[Fife]

I'll have you know that at least 4/5 of leave voters did so in order to obtain more Jeffersons programming; with extra Bentley.

Who are you to question a fellow citizen's motivations?

[Montegriffo]

I'll have you know that at least 4/5 of leave voters did so in order to obtain more Jeffersons programming; with extra Bentley.

Who are you to question a fellow citizen's motivations?

*Subject's.

[Speaker to Animals]

[Speaker to Animals]

Chancellor of the Exchequer Philip “Remainer Phil” Hammond told corporate bosses that senior MPs would stop a “No Deal” Brexit — where Britain makes a clean break from the EU — according to a leaked telephone call.

The audio, obtained by The Telegraph, also outlines how the Remain-supporting Chancellor had discussed how Article 50, the treaty mechanism for leaving the EU, could be extended in a call with the 330 business people following Prime Minister Theresa May’s historic parliamentary defeat on her Withdrawal Agreement on Tuesday.

Raising the issue early on in the conversation of whether “the option of No Deal” can be taken “off the table,” Mr Hammond said: “Everyone on the call will be aware that a bill has been tabled today and amendments will be tabled on Monday by backbenchers from across the House which would have the effect of removing the threat of No Deal.

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/0 ... s-leaders/


They are just trying to save "democracy", guys. It's only fair.

[Montegriffo]

No one voted for a no deal Brexit. It was not on the ballot.

Now I realise that we only like polls when they support our positions here on the MHF but...

A snap poll conducted in the wake of the crushing defeat of Theresa May’s Brexit plan found the largest lead for Remain since the 2016 referendum.
The YouGov survey of more than 1,000 voters found 56% would now vote to stay in the EU, against 44% who want to leave.

It gives Remain a lead of 12% over Leave.

Exactly the same proportion of voters said they wanted a second EU referendum - three points higher than recorded in a similar poll before Christmas. Backing for a so-called People’s Vote among Labour supporters stood at 78%.

The Remain lead was extended further when respondents were asked to compare it to May’s Withdrawal Agreement or the option of leaving the EU without a deal.

Against the prime minister’s deal, Remain led by 65% to 35%, while against no-deal was 59%-41% in favour of staying in the EU.

https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-st ... -1-5855346