The Mess

[Smitty-48]

Meh, nuclear winter, that's a bunch of made up peacehippie bullshit, the vast majority of warheads these days, are 200kt range, so 4000 warheads ain't even that much in terms of megatonnage, a thousand megatons maybe, max, there's already been 545 megatons worth of nuclear weapons detonated in the atmosphere, including truly massive multimegaton monster bombs, and outside of those directly exposed, nobody even noticed the effects, never mind nuclear winter, so get real.

[Okeefenokee]

/popcorn

[SuburbanFarmer]

Meh, nuclear winter, that's a bunch of made up peacehippie bullshit, the vast majority of warheads these days, are 200kt range, so 4000 warheads ain't even that much in terms of megatonnage, a thousand megatons maybe, max, there's already been 545 megatons worth of nuclear weapons detonated in the atmosphere, including truly massive multimegaton monster bombs, and outside of those directly exposed, nobody even noticed the effects, never mind nuclear winter, so get real.

Sooooo the dinosaurs all died because they were clustered in Mexico when the asteroid hit, right?

And it literally makes no difference whether you blow up 400 nukes at once, spread across the earth, or 400 nukes over a 30 year period in the desert testing zones?

Wow man. No wonder you love this shit so much. It's all just for funsies.

[Smitty-48]

57 megaton bomb detonated by the Soviets, that's the equivalent of 285 x 200Kt warheads going off in the same split second; nobody even noticed, and the fallout cloud dissapated very quickly.

[SuburbanFarmer]

57 megaton bomb detonated by the Soviets in one shit, that's the equivalent of 285 x 200Kt warheads going off in the same split second; nobody even noticed, and the fallout cloud dissapated very quickly.

Cool story. Now how many megatons could both sides detonate within a few hours?

Also, don't mind those smokestacks. The smoke dissipates quickly, see? Nothing there. Pollution is a myth you hippie loser.

[Smitty-48]

Well, the earth actually soaks up a ton of radiation, and while fallout does persist, it does not persist in a concentrated form, i.e smoke, because the thermonuclear bomb burns hotter than the sun, flammable materials are actually vaporized in mere seconds, so there's not actually going to be much smoke at all, because there's not going to be anything left to burn, that's why we say "glass them" when we refer to dropping hydrogen bombs. Most of your radioactive fallout is going to dissapate in mere hours, and on the ground in the wake, it's not going to be so much burning, as it will be molten like hot glass, burns so hot, it burns itself right out, nothing flammable survives 6,000,000 degrees, to be producing any smoke after.

[Okeefenokee]

Keep it up GCF. You got him on the ropes.

/popcorn

[Smitty-48]

Let me show you what I mean, now, here's Hiroshima 24 hours after the nuclear bombing, and as you can see, there's no great plumes of thick smoke rising into the sky, all flammable marterial burn was simply extinguished by the sheer heat of the event itself, the next day, there's nothing left to burn, there's no smoke.



Fact is, nuclear weapons are not actually incendiaries, if the United States had simply used nuclear weapons on Japan rather than burning most of it with conventional incendiaries, there would have been comparitively no smoke at all, the whole nuclear winter pall of smoke theory is based on a fallacy, the fallacy that nuclear weapons are incendiaries, when in fact they are the opposite.

[Ex-California]

Isn't the theory less near-term and more like a worldwide massive dustbowl due to all the plants dying of radiation?

That how I always understood nuclear winter coming about, not directly from ash from burned cities

[Smitty-48]

Isn't the theory less near-term and more like a worldwide massive dustbowl due to all the plants dying of radiation?

That how I always understood nuclear winter coming about, not directly from ash from burned cities

If radiation kills all plants, why is Bikini Atoll, one of the most radioactively contaminated places on earth, site of 23 thermonuclear explosions, including the 15 megaton Castle Bravo, an overgrown jungle paradise? Cesium radiation is off the charts, yet palm trees swinging in the breeze all around, it's a radioactive jungle.