Why are you conservative, why are you liberal, why are you independent?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Marxism is the end result of liberalism, though. Most Marxists out there were liberals once.

Which is why I get such a laugh out of YouTube videos by these pro-Enlightenment liberals wanting to save the Enlightenment. I mean. Hello?? This is what happens when you let liberalism run its course. LOL

When you 'let liberalism run its course' you get Marxism?

That is what the Marxists argue, I guess.

Because it's bloody obvious.

Couldn't we rephrase that 'when you let the Enlightenment run its course you get Marxism,' then?

That doesn't seem to place Marxism outside the Enlightenment.

[doc_loliday]

Its the same logic that liberals use to denounce religion, eg, the Catholic Church. Just because Popes become corrupt and priests rape doesn't mean the tenets of the religion are wrong. Just because people own guns, doesnt mean theyll murder people. And fornication doesn't cause disease. This is all logic fail. I would think a compsci guy would recognize this, but that too is a failure of logic.

[Speaker to Animals]

Safe sex doesnt lead to disease you moralizing mommy.

The fuck you say?

http://yourstdhelp.com/condoms_and_stds.html

[doc_loliday]

Safe sex doesnt lead to disease you moralizing mommy.

The fuck you say?

http://yourstdhelp.com/condoms_and_stds.html

If you dont know how to use a condom and break it, test your partner first.

Besides i dont care if two people fuck themselves into disease anyway. Doesnt hurt me.

[doc_loliday]

People should be allowed to harm themselves anyway. If you want to rot your brain with booze, fuck herpes infected skanks, or go to church until your brain turn to mush its no sweat off my sack.

[Speaker to Animals]

Its the same logic that liberals use to denounce religion, eg, the Catholic Church. Just because Popes become corrupt and priests rape doesn't mean the tenets of the religion are wrong. Just because people own guns, doesnt mean theyll murder people. And fornication doesn't cause disease. This is all logic fail. I would think a compsci guy would recognize this, but that too is a failure of logic.

No.

I am talking about moral behavior. Immoral behavior, by definition, negatively impacts others. The big lie of liberalism is that there exist all these immoral behaviors that don't really harm anybody else. THEY DO.

I constantly hear libertarians argue that it should be legal for people to shoot up heroin. As if that doesn't impact anybody else. It impacts everybody.From the people in Seattle walking through piles of disposed needles to the human potential that was lost to the scourge of drug abuse. It has a huge impact on our entire society.

You try to argue safe sex doesn't have a moral impact on anybody. Yeah, it really does. Plummeting birth rates have created the demographic winter that will be upon us in about two decades hence.

The big lie is that all this shit that you guys defend is good and virtuous because it doesn't affect anybody when the negative effects are fucking everywhere. Safe sex fails. We have a huge number of single mothers literally tearing our society to the fucking ground right now.


Furthermore, the reason it is so laughable that you guys try to counter-signal the authoritarianism of the Marxists is that there exists a fucking freeway between the moral license you defend and authoritarianism. There exists an important distinction between recognizing a moral wrong but tolerating it and claiming it's all good because "nobody else is affected" while refusing to acknowledge all the negative impacts on others. When you take the "it's all good" route, people start demanding legal rights and other social considerations for their immoral lifestyles. Those legal rights are what infringe upon everybody else's freedom. If I don't want to engage in that immoral behavior -- because it's fucking wrong -- then I have to get run out of my business because people like you have been arguing it's a moral good this whole time.

You have to start owning your shit. Liberals are terrible at it.

[doc_loliday]

Its the same logic that liberals use to denounce religion, eg, the Catholic Church. Just because Popes become corrupt and priests rape doesn't mean the tenets of the religion are wrong. Just because people own guns, doesnt mean theyll murder people. And fornication doesn't cause disease. This is all logic fail. I would think a compsci guy would recognize this, but that too is a failure of logic.

No.

I am talking about moral behavior. Immoral behavior, by definition, negatively impacts others. The big lie of liberalism is that there exist all these immoral behaviors that don't really harm anybody else. THEY DO.

I constantly hear libertarians argue that it should be legal for people to shoot up heroin. As if that doesn't impact anybody else. It impacts everybody.From the people in Seattle walking through piles of disposed needles to the human potential that was lost to the scourge of drug abuse. It has a huge impact on our entire society.

You try to argue safe sex doesn't have a moral impact on anybody. Yeah, it really does. Plummeting birth rates have created the demographic winter that will be upon us in about two decades hence.

The big lie is that all this shit that you guys defend is good and virtuous because it doesn't affect anybody when the negative effects are fucking everywhere. Safe sex fails. We have a huge number of single mothers literally tearing our society to the fucking ground right now.


Furthermore, the reason it is so laughable that you guys try to counter-signal the authoritarianism of the Marxists is that there exists a fucking freeway between the moral license you defend and authoritarianism. There exists an important distinction between recognizing a moral wrong but tolerating it and claiming it's all good because "nobody else is affected" while refusing to acknowledge all the negative impacts on others. When you take the "it's all good" route, people start demanding legal rights and other social considerations for their immoral lifestyles. Those legal rights are what infringe upon everybody else's freedom. If I don't want to engage in that immoral behavior -- because it's fucking wrong -- then I have to get run out of my business because people like you have been arguing it's a moral good this whole time.

You have to start owning your shit. Liberals are terrible at it.

Own your own shit and quit nannying everyone. Drug use doesn't harm me, the actions of the some drug users harm me. Most drug addicts don't bother me at all. Just how most gun owners don't harm me, just the actions of some gun users.

Also, I'm not responsible for the demographic winter any more than you are. You aren't procreating because your religion won't let you. Own that shit and furthermore the large amount of single mothers aren't due to condoms breaking. It's people not using them at all. Get real.

People have agency, you have to learn to accept that.

[Speaker to Animals]

Its the same logic that liberals use to denounce religion, eg, the Catholic Church. Just because Popes become corrupt and priests rape doesn't mean the tenets of the religion are wrong. Just because people own guns, doesnt mean theyll murder people. And fornication doesn't cause disease. This is all logic fail. I would think a compsci guy would recognize this, but that too is a failure of logic.

No.

I am talking about moral behavior. Immoral behavior, by definition, negatively impacts others. The big lie of liberalism is that there exist all these immoral behaviors that don't really harm anybody else. THEY DO.

I constantly hear libertarians argue that it should be legal for people to shoot up heroin. As if that doesn't impact anybody else. It impacts everybody.From the people in Seattle walking through piles of disposed needles to the human potential that was lost to the scourge of drug abuse. It has a huge impact on our entire society.

You try to argue safe sex doesn't have a moral impact on anybody. Yeah, it really does. Plummeting birth rates have created the demographic winter that will be upon us in about two decades hence.

The big lie is that all this shit that you guys defend is good and virtuous because it doesn't affect anybody when the negative effects are fucking everywhere. Safe sex fails. We have a huge number of single mothers literally tearing our society to the fucking ground right now.


Furthermore, the reason it is so laughable that you guys try to counter-signal the authoritarianism of the Marxists is that there exists a fucking freeway between the moral license you defend and authoritarianism. There exists an important distinction between recognizing a moral wrong but tolerating it and claiming it's all good because "nobody else is affected" while refusing to acknowledge all the negative impacts on others. When you take the "it's all good" route, people start demanding legal rights and other social considerations for their immoral lifestyles. Those legal rights are what infringe upon everybody else's freedom. If I don't want to engage in that immoral behavior -- because it's fucking wrong -- then I have to get run out of my business because people like you have been arguing it's a moral good this whole time.

You have to start owning your shit. Liberals are terrible at it.

Own your own shit and quit nannying everyone. Drug use doesn't harm me, the actions of the some drug users harm me. Most drug addicts don't bother me at all. Just how most gun owners don't harm me, just the actions of some gun users.

Also, I'm not responsible for the demographic winter any more than you are. You aren't procreating because your religion won't let you. Own that shit and furthermore the large amount of single mothers aren't due to condoms breaking. It's people not using them at all. Get real.

People have agency, you have to learn to accept that.

Oh Jesus Christ.

It's not nannying people to want to stop pretending like this immoral behavior doesn't affect anybody. If you want nannying, then continue pretending like these things are all good. Then those people will demand to be treated as such. Which means more legal rights for them that infringe upon you.

The blockheadedness of you people is astounding. You project onto me the consequences of your own stupid ideology. I don't want to nanny anybody. I want to stop the nannying. That means society has to be honest about behaviors that are fucking bad. We might choose to tolerate them, but we should NOT pretend like they are good and normal.

[doc_loliday]

Oh Jesus Christ.

It's not nannying people to want to stop pretending like this immoral behavior doesn't affect anybody. If you want nannying, then continue pretending like these things are all good. Then those people will demand to be treated as such. Which means more legal rights for them that infringe upon you.

The blockheadedness of you people is astounding. You project onto me the consequences of your own stupid ideology. I don't want to nanny anybody. I want to stop the nannying. That means society has to be honest about behaviors that are fucking bad. We might choose to tolerate them, but we should NOT pretend like they are good and normal.

I never pretended it was good. If people want harm themselves I don't care. Just keep the harming to yourselves. If you want to shoot dope, I don't care. Don't throw your needles on the ground, or there will be consequences. If you want to drink booze, go for it, just don't drive later or beat your kids. If you want to fuck, and disease yourself I don't care about that either. If you blast guns, go for it, just don't shoot people. If you can do any of those activities without the consequences spilling over, all the more power to you.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh Jesus Christ.

It's not nannying people to want to stop pretending like this immoral behavior doesn't affect anybody. If you want nannying, then continue pretending like these things are all good. Then those people will demand to be treated as such. Which means more legal rights for them that infringe upon you.

The blockheadedness of you people is astounding. You project onto me the consequences of your own stupid ideology. I don't want to nanny anybody. I want to stop the nannying. That means society has to be honest about behaviors that are fucking bad. We might choose to tolerate them, but we should NOT pretend like they are good and normal.

I never pretended it was good. If people want harm themselves I don't care. Just keep the harming to yourselves. If you want to shoot dope, I don't care. Don't throw your needles on the ground, or there will be consequences. If you want to drink booze, go for it, just don't drive later or beat your kids. If you want to fuck, and disease yourself I don't care about that either. If you blast guns, go for it, just don't shoot people. If you can do any of those activities without the consequences spilling over, all the more power to you.

There is no such thing as "just keep the harming to yourselves". We are all part of the same communities and nations. If half the population just fucked off and killed themselves on drugs, we'd be well-fucked right now. Do you even listen to yourself when you repeat these things?

There is no individual outside the community. The individual and community are not opposing things. They work together. Pretending like you have no value to the community is dumb. It's dumb because it's so obviously wrong. You should be able to work it out for yourself.

The shame of it is that this cult of the individual is what leads to the cult of the collective. Just like there exists a fucking freeway between moral license and authoritarianism. There exists a freeway between extreme individualism and collectivism. It's really the same fucking freeway. It's the same process.