RIP Boy Scouts

[Haumana]

it's disappointing that even in the face of hypothetical evidence you would not give it a rethink.

Damn, you sure are easy to disappoint. *You won't participate in my fairyland so I have a case of the sads. "hypothetical evidence" is pure hilarity. AKA make-believe.

[doc_loliday]

I just hope the LDS church makes its own version of the scouts.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... th-program

[Okeefenokee]

I just hope the LDS church makes its own version of the scouts.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... th-program

It's my turn to post this tomorrow.

[JohnDonne]

it's disappointing that even in the face of hypothetical evidence you would not give it a rethink.

Damn, you sure are easy to disappoint. *You won't participate in my fairyland so I have a case of the sads. "hypothetical evidence" is pure hilarity. AKA make-believe.

Nothing fairyland about the hypothetical, as even Fife admitted, it's simply a relevant point of data for which there appears to be little info. That's like what, too removed from reality for your weak mind to conceive? Don't worry yourself then.

I asked for one example of an openly gay scout leader, not one could be found, and yet there are numerous cases of straight identifying male scout leaders molesting boys. We can extrapolate from this that the likelihood of an openly gay scout leader molesting a child is lower than a straight identifying scout leader.

Or perhaps you need more facts.

http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/h ... ation.html

As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: "The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however" (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143, citation omitted).

Other researchers have taken different approaches, but have similarly failed to find a connection between homosexuality and child molestation. Dr. Carole Jenny and her colleagues reviewed 352 medical charts, representing all of the sexually abused children seen in the emergency room or child abuse clinic of a Denver children's hospital during a one-year period (from July 1, 1991 to June 30, 1992). The molester was a gay or lesbian adult in fewer than 1% of cases in which an adult molester could be identified – only 2 of the 269 cases (Jenny et al., 1994).

So the entire premise that more gays molest boys is based on the dubious premise that if someone molests a boy, they're "gay." Yet there's seems to be little to no connection between men that openly fuck other men and men that fuck boys. But apparently the men that are molesting boys identify and live as straight men.

[Hastur]

I just hope the LDS church makes its own version of the scouts.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... th-program

Good for them. Probably should have happened long ago. In Sweden, we have five versions of Scouts. The regular kind, The Mission Covenants (Baptists + Methodists), YMCA-YWCA, the Temperance movement and the Salvation Army. They emphasize different things but they are all members of the same main organization. All of them are now for both boys and girls since the '60s and '70s. Competition is good.

I'm always surprised by how fond of monopolies you are in America. It's somehow counter-intuitive.

[doc_loliday]

I just hope the LDS church makes its own version of the scouts.


https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... th-program

Good for them. Probably should have happened long ago. In Sweden, we have five versions of Scouts. The regular kind, The Mission Covenants (Baptists + Methodists), YMCA-YWCA, the Temperance movement and the Salvation Army. They emphasize different things but they are all members of the same main organization. All of them are now for both boys and girls since the '60s and '70s. Competition is good.

I'm always surprised by how fond of monopolies you are in America. It's somehow counter-intuitive.

There are separate scouting type groups, its just that the boy scouts is by far the most popular. And since all LDS youth are enrolled it gave them a pretty big boost.

[Speaker to Animals]

Social "science" is just a political hack fest now. You can find any data you want there. There is research that places homosexuals at about 40 times more likely than heterosexuals to sexually assault teens. I happen to think that is pretty accurate given the spate of homosexual rapist scandals in organizations from the Catholic Church to the Boy Scouts to government school districts. But the liberals will just use the research by their activist researchers that show homosexuals dindu nuffin.

Demanding social science evidence is a fucking joke at this point.

[JohnDonne]

I thought you were the one citing social science, since all your ostensible "facts" about gays seem to be echoed from studies cited on Christian websites. I have already argued that when you use the term "homosexual" you are at best confounding two distinct groups.

But why argue over the vagaries of statistical manipulations?

Even if we, (as per your wish,) throw out the social science evidence which your initial argument appears to rest on, even if we (charitably to your argument) refer to straight identifying men who molest boys as "homosexuals" (despite the fact that pre-pubescent boys are in many ways physiologically closer to adult women than to adult men) there is still zero cause to show that openly gay men molest boys more than straight identifying men.

Of course we can only speculate how many of the catholic priest abusers were openly gay. Or how many of the scout leaders that abused children during the "no gays allowed" era were openly gay. Yet since allowing openly gay scout leaders, there hasn't been a single example of an openly gay scout leader molesting boys. What this suggests is that your fear of the "out" homosexual being a scout leader is misplaced and misguided.

[Viktorthepirate]

I thought you were the one citing social science, since all your ostensible "facts" about gays seem to be echoed from studies cited on Christian websites. I have already argued that when you use the term "homosexual" you are at best confounding two distinct groups.

But why argue over the vagaries of statistical manipulations?

Even if we, (as per your wish,) throw out the social science evidence which your initial argument appears to rest on, even if we (charitably to your argument) refer to straight identifying men who molest boys as "homosexuals" (despite the fact that pre-pubescent boys are in many ways physiologically closer to adult women than to adult men) there is still zero cause to show that openly gay men molest boys more than straight identifying men.

Of course we can only speculate how many of the catholic priest abusers were openly gay. Or how many of the scout leaders that abused children during the "no gays allowed" era were openly gay. Yet since allowing openly gay scout leaders, there hasn't been a single example of an openly gay scout leader molesting boys. What this suggests is that your fear of the "out" homosexual being a scout leader is misplaced and misguided.

[Speaker to Animals]

I thought you were the one citing social science, since all your ostensible "facts" about gays seem to be echoed from studies cited on Christian websites. I have already argued that when you use the term "homosexual" you are at best confounding two distinct groups.

But why argue over the vagaries of statistical manipulations?

Even if we, (as per your wish,) throw out the social science evidence which your initial argument appears to rest on, even if we (charitably to your argument) refer to straight identifying men who molest boys as "homosexuals" (despite the fact that pre-pubescent boys are in many ways physiologically closer to adult women than to adult men) there is still zero cause to show that openly gay men molest boys more than straight identifying men.

Of course we can only speculate how many of the catholic priest abusers were openly gay. Or how many of the scout leaders that abused children during the "no gays allowed" era were openly gay. Yet since allowing openly gay scout leaders, there hasn't been a single example of an openly gay scout leader molesting boys. What this suggests is that your fear of the "out" homosexual being a scout leader is misplaced and misguided.

Here's a fun fact: all the men who raped teen boys in the Catholic Church and in the Boy Scouts were homosexuals.

There are probably twice as many women involved in the Boy Scouts, and nary a nationwide scandal of mothers rapping the other boys in her son's Cub Scout den.