The End of Trump; the Dawning of the Age of Bolton.

[Speaker to Animals]

A minefield could be effective, but there are a lot of animals along the border.

[Hastur]

A pity no one told the East Germans that walls and troops were useless in guarding borders.

Are you willing to gun down Mexicans trying to get here?

Plant a mine field?

Sic some German Shepherds on a group of kids in the desert?

I don’t understand why it would have to come to that if you build a proper border. If the East Germans could afford to build one so could you.

Tresspassers will be dealt with with minimum amount of force like in every other instance. Do you have a lock on your front door? Does that mean you want to kill kids?

Every other nation on earth guards it’s borders unless they have some kind of deal like the Shengen agreement. You are deranged.

[SuburbanFarmer]

A pity no one told the East Germans that walls and troops were useless in guarding borders.

Are you willing to gun down Mexicans trying to get here?

Plant a mine field?

Sic some German Shepherds on a group of kids in the desert?

I don’t understand why it would have to come to that if you build a proper border. If the East Germans could afford to build one so could you.

Tresspassers will be dealt with with minimum amount of force like in every other instance. Do you have a lock on your front door? Does that mean you want to kill kids?

Every other nation on earth guards it’s borders unless they have some kind of deal like the Shengen agreement. You are deranged.

The East Germans (Russians) did not simply build a wall and walk away. It was manned with machine gun towers, mine fields, and dog patrols. And people still got through.

You made the comparison, I'm just asking whether you've really thought that through. How far are you (and the rest of America) willing to go, over some shitty jobs?

[SuburbanFarmer]

A minefield could be effective, but there are a lot of animals along the border.

First time someone finds some juvenile body parts, and a teddy bear in there, the whole project is over. Or we are a very, very different nation afterwards.

Sooner or later, You have got to start thinking this shit through, and not vomiting feelz all over a serious issue.

[Speaker to Animals]

A minefield could be effective, but there are a lot of animals along the border.

First time someone finds some juvenile body parts, and a teddy bear in there, the whole project is over. Or we are a very, very different nation afterwards.

Will you just go fuck yourself?

This soyboy act is fucking old. We have an obligation to defend our border. We don't need an entire subcontinent of foreigners invading our nation. Thanks, anyway.

It's not like you ever have to sacrifice a God-damned thing in your entire life anyway.

[Smitty-48]

A pity no one told the East Germans that walls and troops were useless in guarding borders.

Prior to erecting the so called "Modern Frontier" in 1967, there were only about 1,000 crossings of the Inner German Border annually, so contrary to popular myth, there weren't actually that many people attempting to escape the Iron Curtain.

Also note, the Inner German Border was only 800 miles long, there was a 5 kilometer deep Sperrzone beyond the fortifications, the protective strip was sowed with 1.3 million AP mines, and there were 50,000 Grenzpolizei guarding it at all times, and they shot 1200 people for attempting to cross.

In the end, by 1988, the Soviets and DDR came to the conclusion that the Modern Frontier was financially unsustainable, and at the time of the collapse of the Iron Curtain they were intending to replace it with a much more modest "Grenz 2000" program, which would have replaced the fortifications with remote sensors.

[SuburbanFarmer]

A minefield could be effective, but there are a lot of animals along the border.

First time someone finds some juvenile body parts, and a teddy bear in there, the whole project is over. Or we are a very, very different nation afterwards.

Will you just go fuck yourself?

This soyboy act is fucking old. We have an obligation to defend our border. We don't need an entire subcontinent of foreigners invading our nation. Thanks, anyway.

It's not like you ever have to sacrifice a God-damned thing in your entire life anyway.

Pretty tired of the trailer park dropout perspective on this too.

[Hastur]

Are you willing to gun down Mexicans trying to get here?

Plant a mine field?

Sic some German Shepherds on a group of kids in the desert?

I don’t understand why it would have to come to that if you build a proper border. If the East Germans could afford to build one so could you.

Tresspassers will be dealt with with minimum amount of force like in every other instance. Do you have a lock on your front door? Does that mean you want to kill kids?

Every other nation on earth guards it’s borders unless they have some kind of deal like the Shengen agreement. You are deranged.

The East Germans (Russians) did not simply build a wall and walk away. It was manned with machine gun towers, mine fields, and dog patrols. And people still got through.

You made the comparison, I'm just asking whether you've really thought that through. How far are you (and the rest of America) willing to go, over some shitty jobs?

If you want to be taken seriously as an independent nation you do whatever it takes to keep your integrity. You are falling apart with the current No Borders No Nations bullshit. You are literally being cuckolded, sitting passively in the corner and nodding while your society is being fucked over by a stranger. Don’t you have any spine at all?

[Hastur]

A pity no one told the East Germans that walls and troops were useless in guarding borders.

Prior to erecting the so called "Modern Frontier" in 1967, there were only about 1,000 crossings of the Inner German Border annually, so contrary to popular myth, there weren't actually that many people attempting to escape the Iron Curtain.

Also note, the Inner German Border was only 800 miles long, there was a 5 kilometer deep Sperrzone beyond the fortifications, the protective strip was sowed with 1.3 million AP mines, and there were 50,000 Grenzpolizei guarding it at all times, and they shot 1200 people for attempting to cross.

In the end, by 1988, the Soviets and DDR came to the conclusion that the Modern Frontier was financially unsustainable, and at the time of the collapse of the Iron Curtain they were intending to replace it with a much more modest "Grenz 2000" program, which would have replaced the fortifications with remote sensors.

The East Germans were like the frog in the slowly heating water at first. Probably thought it would work out somehow. I think a modern border would look a lot different but the point is that a nation need to protect its border if the difference is to big between nations. And the cost for not doing so far outweigh the price for doing it.
In the long perspective Mexico needs to be lifted up to a first world level of life quality but I’m not the person to tell how to get there. Having the most ambitious people leave is not a solution, that much I know.

[Smitty-48]

A pity no one told the East Germans that walls and troops were useless in guarding borders.

Prior to erecting the so called "Modern Frontier" in 1967, there were only about 1,000 crossings of the Inner German Border annually, so contrary to popular myth, there weren't actually that many people attempting to escape the Iron Curtain.

Also note, the Inner German Border was only 800 miles long, there was a 5 kilometer deep Sperrzone beyond the fortifications, the protective strip was sowed with 1.3 million AP mines, and there were 50,000 Grenzpolizei guarding it at all times, and they shot 1200 people for attempting to cross.

In the end, by 1988, the Soviets and DDR came to the conclusion that the Modern Frontier was financially unsustainable, and at the time of the collapse of the Iron Curtain they were intending to replace it with a much more modest "Grenz 2000" program, which would have replaced the fortifications with remote sensors.

The East Germans were like the frog in the slowly heating water at first. Probably thought it would work out somehow. I think a modern border would look a lot different but the point is that a nation need to protect its border if the difference is to big between nations. And the cost for not doing so far outweigh the price for doing it.
In the long perspective Mexico needs to be lifted up to a first world level of life quality but I’m not the person to tell how to get there. Having the most ambitious people leave is not a solution, that much I know.

None the less, I don't find the Inner German Border to be a model for a realistic solution in the United States, Apples to Oranges, not to mention the Inner German Border is a failed model, if emulating the East Germans is what America has come to, that's not a good sign.

Militarized overreach on the border seems most likely to empower the Western Liberals ultimately undermining the whole project, just as it was for the Soviets, it's a losers play, sign o' weakness not strength.