Scrooge McDuck I mean Corporate America

[SuburbanFarmer]

Consider that, when our civilization was in its cultural high water mark, all of the art, music, and cultural works were the products of wealthy people contributing to society. Without wealth accumulation, who would pay for Beethoven? Who would commission the Sistine Chapel or the Michaelangelo's David?

Nobody would. We'd all be running around the dense forests of Europe hunting deer and living in huts.


If I was being reincarnated in human history somewhere between the beginning and the end, and all I could do before choosing a spot is know the wealth inequality, I am not choosing the times and places of wealth equality. That would be fucking stupid.

Nobody, to my knowledge, has argued for the elimination of wealth accumulation. Communism Strawman is like Godwin's Law around here. I suppose it has to be, since we have actual fucking Nazis around

[Speaker to Animals]

Consider that, when our civilization was in its cultural high water mark, all of the art, music, and cultural works were the products of wealthy people contributing to society. Without wealth accumulation, who would pay for Beethoven? Who would commission the Sistine Chapel or the Michaelangelo's David?

Nobody would. We'd all be running around the dense forests of Europe hunting deer and living in huts.


If I was being reincarnated in human history somewhere between the beginning and the end, and all I could do before choosing a spot is know the wealth inequality, I am not choosing the times and places of wealth equality. That would be fucking stupid.

Nobody, to my knowledge, has argued for the elimination of wealth accumulation. Communism Strawman is like Godwin's Law around here. I suppose it has to be, since we have actual fucking Nazis around

What was this?

You'd rather a few hundred families rake in billions upon billions than telling them they've had enough. Every religious tradition, and moral teaching around the world warn against the excesses of hording wealth. You call this advice socialism. I call your love of greed a sin. I guess we should just kill each other and find out whose camp is left standing afterwards.

[SuburbanFarmer]

What was this?

You'd rather a few hundred families rake in billions upon billions than telling them they've had enough. Every religious tradition, and moral teaching around the world warn against the excesses of hording wealth. You call this advice socialism. I call your love of greed a sin. I guess we should just kill each other and find out whose camp is left standing afterwards.

A call for reason, with a dash of hyperbole, clumsily interpreted as a call for seizure of wealth.

[apeman]

saved 75% of my income,

Nobody making less than a NYC lawyer could save 75% of income. The majority of plebs pay 50% to rent.

All this is true, but you are thinking on the axis of oppressor --- oppressed

If a mode of thought isn't serving you, shoudl you cling to it?

Is there a better way to think?

How is this any different from any other cause that we are concerned about?
Your argument is for blind fealty to whatever-the-system-happens-to-be.

for the last goddamn time I live in upstate new york.

now to the merits

you can view everything through oppressor -- oppresssed axis, it is a perfectly valid way to view everything, except that it is only one way, and it is only half the picture.

There are a lot of other ways to view the substantial challenges of the world -- better to choose one that serves you, instead of makes you into a resentful victim, I speak from the heart, because for many years I viewed the world oppressor -- oppressed (and oh how appealing, to know this one trick, and then understand everything, with a monocausal axis everyone can be a philosopher in a day), and when I changed my mind set, the world began to come to me.

[Smitty-48]

I agree, and GoG is clearly very intelligent, the sky is the limit, so if I am correct and it is resentment, that has gotta go

Good luck with that, I ain't interested in parley with internetz bolshies, call me when you're ready to have the Mounties club them like baby seals.

[Kazmyr]

saved 75% of my income,

Nobody making less than a NYC lawyer could save 75% of income. The majority of plebs pay 50% to rent.

How is this any different from any other cause that we are concerned about?

Your argument is for blind fealty to whatever-the-system-happens-to-be.

No, (ape can correct me if I'm wrong) the argument is that you can figure out the rules of the system and accordingly work them to your benefit.

Doesn't mean that were in awesome-fucking-system-land, it just means there's more beneficial things to do instead of bitching and wistfully hoping for the 'impending financial meteor and torches & pitchforks.'

[Fife]

Immanentize the Bolshie Meltdown.

[apeman]

I agree, and GoG is clearly very intelligent, the sky is the limit, so if I am correct and it is resentment, that has gotta go

Good luck with that, I ain't interested in parley with internetz bolshies, call me when you're ready to have the Mounties club them like baby seals.

I see an old version of myself in people sometimes, like here, and my path is to speak my truth the best I can, and admit when I'm wrong

which is kinda faggy, I know

[SuburbanFarmer]

saved 75% of my income,

Nobody making less than a NYC lawyer could save 75% of income. The majority of plebs pay 50% to rent.

All this is true, but you are thinking on the axis of oppressor --- oppressed

If a mode of thought isn't serving you, shoudl you cling to it?

Is there a better way to think?

How is this any different from any other cause that we are concerned about?
Your argument is for blind fealty to whatever-the-system-happens-to-be.

for the last goddamn time I live in upstate new york.

same diff, economically. But yeah, you're obviously sharper than the average city scum.

now to the merits

you can view everything through oppressor -- oppresssed axis, it is a perfectly valid way to view everything, except that it is only one way, and it is only half the picture.

There are a lot of other ways to view the substantial challenges of the world -- better to choose one that serves you, instead of makes you into a resentful victim, I speak from the heart, because for many years I viewed the world oppressor -- oppressed (and oh how appealing, to know this one trick, and then understand everything, with a monocausal axis everyone can be a philosopher in a day), and when I changed my mind set, the world began to come to me.

Why not start a philosophy thread for this discussion then, rather than distributing your pearls of wisdom upon an obviously economic OP?

[GloryofGreece]

Any Regulation = Socialism
Any Laws = Socialism
Any Taxes = Socialism
Anything other than Sucking and Cucking up to the Kleptocracy = Socialism

You'd rather a few hundred families rake in billions upon billions than telling them they've had enough. Every religious tradition, and moral teaching around the world warn against the excesses of hording wealth. You call this advice socialism. I call your love of greed a sin. I guess we should just kill each other and find out whose camp is left standing afterwards.

Don't be offended by the following question

I predict you are resentful of your place in the economic dominance hierarchy. True or false?

Dont Jordan Peterson me. I'm good, i've watched his lectures on Personality and Maps of Meaning. I agree resentment isn't a good resourceful emotion. I also know even Peterson isn't opposed to change, revolution, or new order. That's what the "open" and "creative" people are for. Its always a balancing act. Too much order or too much chaos is a bad thing. Its out of alignment theres too much accumulation and control of resources by a few families/conglomerates. He doesn't offer a solution but he acknowledges it can be a "problem". And a problem needs a solution. The Status Quo aint it bucko. Time for a course correction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTJRGHsrYhY (Please watch the entire 5 minutes/ Pay attention to everything he says)
There are times to flip the board.