The End of the Barnum & Bailey Circus

[K@th]

Sometimes I don't know what I'm missing. What setting lets your brain turn off any sort of feeling for a fellow life form, who has intelligence, but only lacks opposable thumbs to be given more tools to be creative with tool building.

Seeing how people so easily dismiss the suffering of animals, it is not a huge jump to seeing people abuse people. Anyone willing to torture a living thing, regardless of it's ability to fight back or brain size....

I dunno; I once got enormous satisfaction when running over a nest of fire ants with a gator. Fire ants are instinctual only creatures. I wonder about my hypocrisy, though. There are definitely grey areas.

We have solid evidence that elephants are sentient beings who have a culture and society. Their lives have meaning in their way, just as your life has meaning in your way. Would you like it if some higher form a life decided that your purpose was to entertain him and people who paid him? My guess is you'd be pretty pissed off about that. Problem is, your form of communication just sounds like "meowwwwwwww" to him and his people, so you do as you're told or get whipped. You get whipped enough, you do what is needed to stop getting whipped. Plus, your teeth or hair might be considered of great value. I'm sure you'd knock on the door to volunteer your teeth and whatever else, because your betters would profit from it.

Now, please explain how you will be grateful to the higher being for showing you how magnanimous he is?

[heydaralon]

Sometimes I don't know what I'm missing. What setting lets your brain turn off any sort of feeling for a fellow life form, who has intelligence, but only lacks opposable thumbs to be given more tools to be creative with tool building.

Seeing how people so easily dismiss the suffering of animals, it is not a huge jump to seeing people abuse people. Anyone willing to torture a living thing, regardless of it's ability to fight back or brain size....

I dunno; I once got enormous satisfaction when running over a nest of fire ants with a gator. Fire ants are instinctual only creatures. I wonder about my hypocrisy, though. There are definitely grey areas.

We have solid evidence that elephants are sentient beings who have a culture and society. Their lives have meaning in their way, just as your life has meaning in your way. Would you like it if some higher form a life decided that your purpose was to entertain him and people who paid him? My guess is you'd be pretty pissed off about that. Problem is, your form of communication just sounds like "meowwwwwwww" to him and his people, so you do as you're told or get whipped. You get whipped enough, you do what is needed to stop getting whipped. Plus, your teeth or hair might be considered of great value. I'm sure you'd knock on the door to volunteer your teeth and whatever else, because your betters would profit from it.

Now, please explain how you will be grateful to the higher being for showing you how magnanimous he is?

You are missing the cultural component. How would you like a group of virtue signalling Africans telling you not kill or eat certain animals because it upsets their sensibilities? By condemning the Ivory trade, you are violating the sovereignty of an entire continent. What is more, you are not giving these people an alternative way to support their villages, even though you are taking away their means of survival.



There is a huge leap between harming and animals and harming people. Besides, you are far more willing to harm a person than anyone else in this thread, as you were celebrating the death of a hunter, who contributed far more to the world than an entire herd of elephants. You lost your moral high ground immediately after that comment. People have souls, and can experience true pain, whereas animals are not capable of understanding the implications of their own feelings. Elephants cannot experience guilt, lust, or awe at the universe the way humans can. They are merely driven by baser animal emotions such as hunger or tiredness. Elephants don't write symphonies, or compose poems or sculpt. If you put a paint brush in an elephants trunk, it will not produce a Vermeer, and a five year old human could out paint even the smartest elephant. You set an incredibly low bar for culture.

Elephants will band together in groups, but that behavior is hardly indicative of any kind of highly intelligent society. Roaches and ants band together, as do bacteria. Are you arguing for their high levels of sentience as well? In what way do elephants lives have meaning? Meaning comes from the ability to analyze something and decide its value for you. You are just trying to anthropomorphize them. Elephants are not having a midlife crisis, and are not worried about their lives having meaning. They are not thinking about the future. In fact, they are not thinking about much at all, as their entire existence is spent destroying shrubbery and wallowing in a watering hole. These activities do not require a highly evolved intelligent brain. Why would you need to evolve a huge energy depleting brain if your entire life is spent living in your own shit in a mud puddle? You don't need the mind of DaVinci for that. I'll bet Terry Schiavo had more brain activity than an elephant.

If you don't like African hunters, you should like the circus, because that is literally their only other option. The Ivory is too valuable, and they are too much of a nuisance to the locals, to live peacefully in Africa. The circus feeds them, gives them a place to live, and gives them guidance on the proper behavior around humans, in addition to making them stars. Elephants certainly must be ungrateful, because they constantly attack innocent people who care for them. Sometimes the employees will use cattle prods or electric shocks to control the rambunctious elephants, but that is because they weigh several tons and are incredibly dangerous. I'll bet an electric shock at that size is like a zap of static electricity for a person.

Anyway, you seem to have an unhealthy obsession with elephants. They are incapable of loving you back, could not communicate with you in any way, and would probably be indifferent to your death. They are not people in elephant costumes. They are brainless animals.

[Ex-California]

You're literally retarded

[jbird4049]

You're literally retarded

I still go for trolling, but some people honestly just cannot think nonhumans can think, feel, or communicate as talking. It is one of the reasons tool use by chimpanzees and crows took time to be accepted by everyone.

[jbird4049]

Sometimes I don't know what I'm missing. What setting lets your brain turn off any sort of feeling for a fellow life form, who has intelligence, but only lacks opposable thumbs to be given more tools to be creative with tool building.

Seeing how people so easily dismiss the suffering of animals, it is not a huge jump to seeing people abuse people. Anyone willing to torture a living thing, regardless of it's ability to fight back or brain size....

I dunno; I once got enormous satisfaction when running over a nest of fire ants with a gator. Fire ants are instinctual only creatures. I wonder about my hypocrisy, though. There are definitely grey areas.

We have solid evidence that elephants are sentient beings who have a culture and society. Their lives have meaning in their way, just as your life has meaning in your way. Would you like it if some higher form a life decided that your purpose was to entertain him and people who paid him? My guess is you'd be pretty pissed off about that. Problem is, your form of communication just sounds like "meowwwwwwww" to him and his people, so you do as you're told or get whipped. You get whipped enough, you do what is needed to stop getting whipped. Plus, your teeth or hair might be considered of great value. I'm sure you'd knock on the door to volunteer your teeth and whatever else, because your betters would profit from it.

Now, please explain how you will be grateful to the higher being for showing you how magnanimous he is?

Fire ants and a gator? That's...interesting.

[Montegriffo]

I dunno; I once got enormous satisfaction when running over a nest of fire ants with a gator. Fire ants are instinctual only creatures. I wonder about my hypocrisy, though. There are definitely grey areas.

Well everything has it's place and use in the world even insects. I'm not above killing mosquitoes on sight or flies and wasps if they piss me off enough but they all have a reason to be here and we'd be fucked without them.....

[K@th]

[clubgop]

Would you like it if some higher form a life decided that your purpose was to entertain him and people who paid him? My guess is you'd be pretty pissed off about that.

The way some people flock to Hollywood they'd be plenty fine with it.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's not an African elephant, but an Asian elephant, and those Asian elephants who paint are brutally trained to do that. African elephants are not likely going to paint anything you'd recognize.

http://www.onegreenplanet.org/animalsan ... -not-cute/

[clubgop]

That's not an African elephant, but an Asian elephant, and those Asian elephants who paint are brutally trained to do that. African elephants are not likely going to paint anything you'd recognize.

Would you like it if some higher form a life decided that your purpose was to entertain him and people who paid him? My guess is you'd be pretty pissed off about that.

Kath likes it.
The irony hurts. I am dying over here.
Kath: "paint me like one of your french girls, that beat you."