Roots

[SuburbanFarmer]

Larger organisations and civilisations do sometimes have advantages in terms of innovation and efficiency in keeping costs down until they reach levels where monopolies and corruption come into play.

I can certainly understand that there are Economies of Scale to be found, but how to balance that benefit, and the total incompetence that always becomes part of a large organization? Is it even worth it really?

[Montegriffo]

Larger organisations and civilisations do sometimes have advantages in terms of innovation and efficiency in keeping costs down until they reach levels where monopolies and corruption come into play.

I can certainly understand that there are Economies of Scale to be found, but how to balance that benefit, and the total incompetence that always becomes part of a large organization? Is it even worth it really?

It depends how much you value research and development departments, really small companies don't have the budget for it. I tend to agree with you though, in general the larger the company I have worked for the more waste and less concern over the well being of the employees.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Larger organisations and civilisations do sometimes have advantages in terms of innovation and efficiency in keeping costs down until they reach levels where monopolies and corruption come into play.

I can certainly understand that there are Economies of Scale to be found, but how to balance that benefit, and the total incompetence that always becomes part of a large organization? Is it even worth it really?

It depends how much you value research and development departments, really small companies don't have the budget for it. I tend to agree with you though, in general the larger the company I have worked for the more waste and less concern over the well being of the employees.

Well, we have plenty of well-funded and subsidized universities with research departments.. I see the value in corporate R&D, but surely there must be an alternative of some kind to patenting and charging-the-shit-out-of new discoveries?

[Hwen Hoshino]

In the small- or family-business environment. An endangered species now.

Fits under the umbrella.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporate

If you say so. I think any large human organizations tend toward incompetence, corruption, and subhuman behavior. Use your preferred definition for that, but it's real.

Western civ has a better track record than others.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fits under the umbrella.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/corporate

If you say so. I think any large human organizations tend toward incompetence, corruption, and subhuman behavior. Use your preferred definition for that, but it's real.

Western civ has a better track record than others.

Orly?



Shoguns, most Chinese dynasties, and certainly the Ottomans/Turks (of the 13th-18th centuries) would beg to differ.

[Hwen Hoshino]

If you say so. I think any large human organizations tend toward incompetence, corruption, and subhuman behavior. Use your preferred definition for that, but it's real.

Western civ has a better track record than others.

Orly?



Shoguns, most Chinese dynasties, and certainly the Ottomans/Turks (of the 13th-18th centuries) would beg to differ.

The Enlightenment project turned out far better.

[TheReal_ND]

How can CCF be so wrong so many times?

[Okeefenokee]

I really need to know. I can't find it online.

Easy One.

Thunderbolt and Lightfoot.

The Kid was Jeff Bridges





You lose 5 Clint Eastwood bucks for not knowing that.

Thanks. My bus used to drop me off at home right when a movie was ending, and afternoon cartoons were about to start. That final scene is all I've ever seen of that one.

Something in my memory is telling me right before they got in the car they got the shit kicked out of them. Maybe my memory is scrambled. It was about 25 years ago.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Western civ has a better track record than others.

Orly?



Shoguns, most Chinese dynasties, and certainly the Ottomans/Turks (of the 13th-18th centuries) would beg to differ.

The Enlightenment project turned out far better.

Child labor and Boss Tweed. Keep swinging.

You can say that western civilization has been superior for, say, the last century or so, but that's only if you choose to ignore the creation of the third world, and the threat of nuclear annihilation.

[Okeefenokee]

When you try to hold up Western culture as superior you are by extension saying that other cultures are inferior. This is what leads to notions of "sub-humans" and helps to justify practises such as slavery and genocide. I think it is far more honest to say different cultures and races are the result of different conditions and varying geographic,environmental and historical advantages and disadvantages. While there are many examples of how current Western ideals and practises are in fact "better" than others it has not always been this way and it is not guaranteed to continue to be so in the future.

I think the civilization race is over and people just want to live well. We are at the destination, the ideas are fine we just have to improve the human resource and be consistent. Other cultures are worse the same way certain corporate cultures are better than others. We don't assume that people working in Company B with an inferior work culture are subhuman. Of course it was not always this way but people live in the here and now.

I disagree. This ride doesn't end. We aren't at a point of stasis. Civilizations don't sit still. They either grow or decay.