Protecting the Free-Range Kid

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:28 am

DrYouth wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote: Whenever a tantrum is presented, I jump all over it and kind of bully the older one back into calm - the 2 yr old just gets restrained until it stops.
It's not bullying if you are keeping kids safe from themselves and each other.
It's responsible parenting.
Allowing reckless chaos to run rampant is no kindness.
Well, it's confusing because you hear about parents that never talk down to their kids, or never give a spanking, and consider it 'beating' them. I can't even imagine how that would work in the home with a kid throwing his toys and yelling. They don't give a shit what you say to them at that moment, and (IMO) wouldn't respect you in the least.

Maybe it's just pride or something, but I certainly won't let myself become a slave to their whims, and pay for it all.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by apeman » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:33 am

DrYouth wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Now, if I ever found out that my kid was doing that....
Count on it...

Both my wife and I had reckless periods...

Not to mention the gig I do... I know about how crazy shit can get.

And I also know it kind of has to get crazy... that's the only way we can really know our limits....

But the problem in my family is that my parents pretended everything was fine when it clearly wasn't... and that didn't help me out.

They should have busted my balls more than they did...

Liberals suck at holding their kids accountable.

I won't make that mistake with my kids! :lol:
My parents were WAYYYYYYY too liberal, I could have turned into a nightmare, I grew up in the house where everyone would go after school to party because I had the "cool" parents. Learned how to roll a joint from dad, etc.

Everyone looked the other way at my increasingly rebellious behavior and crazy behavior because I was a top student, mediocre athlete, had nice girlfriends, and always articulate.

I now see this as representative in hindsight: senior year of high school, I was in an unleveled drama class, the teacher had no plan, the first assignment was to write a play only with caveman grunts, I repeatedly declared in class that the teacher had no plan, guaranteed we would learn nothing, called the teacher a hack just cruising by until summer, encouraged the level 3 students to ignore him, etc., which they did.

What did the teacher do? Got a special waiver from the principal so that I could satisfy the needed credit by editing the school newspaper on my own instead of taking his class.

In sum, I needed the hammer.

I would get it soon enough, in massive massive doses.

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:41 am

apeman wrote:In sum, I needed the hammer.

I would get it soon enough, in massive massive doses.
I know what you mean. The real world does NOT pull any punches. If you're not prepared to buckle down, you just get run over and beat until you figure it out.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:46 am

Opposite for me, My father was very strict. I lived in fear of him a lot of the time and rushed around the house tidying up when I heard the distinctive sound of his car coming. I started rebelling when I left home at 17 to go to college. Not sure I ever stopped though, a happy medium must be the better approach.
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by apeman » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:47 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
apeman wrote:In sum, I needed the hammer.

I would get it soon enough, in massive massive doses.
I know what you mean. The real world does NOT pull any punches. If you're not prepared to buckle down, you just get run over and beat until you figure it out.
Turns out I'm not Zack Morris.

But the saga of my fall is for another time.

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by apeman » Wed Dec 21, 2016 9:51 am

Montegriffo wrote: a happy medium must be the better approach.
It's gotta be hard to strike the balance.

If a parent is too liberal, the world itself will save up all those punishments that were never given, multiply by 100, and visit them on the young adult in due time. Not every young adult is gonna be able to survive it, learn from it, improve and come out the other side.

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by DrYouth » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:04 am

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Well, it's confusing because you hear about parents that never talk down to their kids, or never give a spanking, and consider it 'beating' them. I can't even imagine how that would work in the home with a kid throwing his toys and yelling. They don't give a shit what you say to them at that moment, and (IMO) wouldn't respect you in the least.

Maybe it's just pride or something, but I certainly won't let myself become a slave to their whims, and pay for it all.
It's really about being comfortable with authority...

Natural authority tends to emerge organically from a functioning social fabric.

When liberals are uncomfortable with authority they err on the side of permissiveness... (denial or submissiveness based parenting)
When conservatives are lacking in natural authority they err on the side of authoritarianism... (fear based parenting)

Parenting will push us all to our limits... unless you are simply blessed with a lovely swatch of social fabric (which precious few of us are)...

So expect to go down in flames from time to time...

Deep down tho, I still thirst to kill you and eat you. Ultra Chimp can't help it.. - Smitty

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by apeman » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:05 am

DrYouth wrote:When liberals are uncomfortable with authority they err on the side of permissiveness... (denial or submissiveness based parenting)
When conservatives are lacking in natural authority they err on the side of authoritarianism... (fear based parenting)
Huh, seems to check out.

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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by MilSpecs » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:06 pm

Montegriffo wrote:Opposite for me, My father was very strict. I lived in fear of him a lot of the time and rushed around the house tidying up when I heard the distinctive sound of his car coming.
+1
Daddy's home, everybody run!
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Re: Protecting the Free-Range Kid

Post by Montegriffo » Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:08 pm

mydogjesse wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:Opposite for me, My father was very strict. I lived in fear of him a lot of the time and rushed around the house tidying up when I heard the distinctive sound of his car coming.
+1
Daddy's home, everybody run!
Not a physical fear, but if the house was a mess we were in trouble.
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