What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Paulo » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:30 pm

Smitty-48 wrote:The speech in Ohio, that was great, that was some MAGA shit right there, he's coming out of campaign mode and getting serious now, move over Ronald Reagan, there's a new MAGA in town, he got Carrier to stay for a $7 million dollar concession? Colour me impressed, that doesn't even meet the threshold of walking around money for the Big Gov, can't do that every time, none the less, a win's a win. Plus Mattis.
How fine it is, really? So any company can do that? I guess they will. Keep winning and who is paying for that? How nice to see how americans learned to keep jobs like we did here in Brasil 20 years ago. So bad that they keep asking for more favors until they moved to China. :-)
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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Paulo » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:33 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:Yeah, it would. You'd have 30/50 states voting one way, and two counties in California and NYC deciding the other.

I'm curious. It's not about the will of the people? How many people voted in the last election?

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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Dec 02, 2016 1:57 pm

Paulo wrote:
Smitty-48 wrote:The speech in Ohio, that was great, that was some MAGA shit right there, he's coming out of campaign mode and getting serious now, move over Ronald Reagan, there's a new MAGA in town, he got Carrier to stay for a $7 million dollar concession? Colour me impressed, that doesn't even meet the threshold of walking around money for the Big Gov, can't do that every time, none the less, a win's a win. Plus Mattis.
How fine it is, really? So any company can do that? I guess they will. Keep winning and who is paying for that? How nice to see how americans learned to keep jobs like we did here in Brasil 20 years ago. So bad that they keep asking for more favors until they moved to China. :-)
A win is a win.
To a certain extent, all economic activity is incentivized, I don't support full on government paid make work, because that is just the snake eating its own tail, but where you can come in and keep a job with incentives, at a reasonable percentage, I think that's OK, the looming threat of the stick, UTX government contracts being reevaluated, must have been what Trump had in one hand, in the other, he made a reasonable concession on taxes, as a limited government conservative, I certainly do not oppose lowering taxes as an incentive, where those taxes are actually a tax on productivity, and as such, regressive.

This is a perfect example of Trump the Moderate, Big Gov to the rescue, but not by direct intervention, simply by adjusting the incentive structure. Could it be done in every case? No, but a lot more of it could be done, and if Trump goes that route, he will be popular with the masses, even if not with the elites.
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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Okeefenokee » Fri Dec 02, 2016 6:05 pm

Paulo wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:Yeah, it would. You'd have 30/50 states voting one way, and two counties in California and NYC deciding the other.

I'm curious. It's not about the will of the people? How many people voted in the last election?
Except it isn't the people. It's the peoples, plural. Voting by population only gives elections to people who live in cities, period.
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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Ex-California » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:32 pm

Two Man wrote:
Hanarchy Montanarchy wrote:I notice CA babyish threats of secession lasted about 48 hours.
It ain't over yet. A petition was started to get the official process off and running. There is also a movement to split the state into 2 or more states with "Jefferson" the name most cited if there were to be two.
People up in Modoc county and surrounding environs have been trying to create Jefferson for decades
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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Ex-California » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:33 pm

Okeefenokee wrote:
Paulo wrote:
Okeefenokee wrote:Yeah, it would. You'd have 30/50 states voting one way, and two counties in California and NYC deciding the other.

I'm curious. It's not about the will of the people? How many people voted in the last election?
Except it isn't the people. It's the peoples, plural. Voting by population only gives elections to people who live in cities, period.
Why are you so sold on this? Don't you realize that cities aren't a monolithic block of voters?
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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Ex-California » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:35 pm

Xenophon wrote:
AndrewBennett wrote:
Xenophon wrote: If you're going pure popular vote, having 51% of the vote come from densely populated urban bubbles isn't the Will of the People, and will increase the hostility already felt toward the urban voters by the rural voters. From what I can tell, Urbanites have a "I know better than you," attitude, while the hayseeds take a "Leave me and mine alone," approach.
Unless you think that urban people are less than a full citizen, it is absolutely the will of the people.
Are you truly complaining about how the elector votes per state are calculated? Go and cry to Montana about electoral votes, I'm sure they sympathize with you poor Californians.

How anyone can say that direct democracy is preferable to proportional representation is beyond me.
Because that's what I've been raised to believe. That I am a citizen and my vote counts.

And I'm not complaining about how electoral votes are counted, I'm complaining about a Byzantine system that needs to be simplified.
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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Xenophon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:54 pm

AndrewBennett wrote:
Xenophon wrote:
AndrewBennett wrote: Unless you think that urban people are less than a full citizen, it is absolutely the will of the people.
Are you truly complaining about how the elector votes per state are calculated? Go and cry to Montana about electoral votes, I'm sure they sympathize with you poor Californians.

How anyone can say that direct democracy is preferable to proportional representation is beyond me.
Because that's what I've been raised to believe. That I am a citizen and my vote counts.

And I'm not complaining about how electoral votes are counted, I'm complaining about a Byzantine system that needs to be simplified.
The easiest way to simplify it would be to allow states to secede, and then do a pure popular vote. Then the outcome would be more representative due to the smaller pool of voters.

Other than that, I'm open to ideas. Except the ones that allow 4 cities to have more sway than 4 states. That's silly.

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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Ex-California » Fri Dec 02, 2016 7:57 pm

Xenophon wrote:
AndrewBennett wrote:
Xenophon wrote: Are you truly complaining about how the elector votes per state are calculated? Go and cry to Montana about electoral votes, I'm sure they sympathize with you poor Californians.

How anyone can say that direct democracy is preferable to proportional representation is beyond me.
Because that's what I've been raised to believe. That I am a citizen and my vote counts.

And I'm not complaining about how electoral votes are counted, I'm complaining about a Byzantine system that needs to be simplified.
The easiest way to simplify it would be to allow states to secede, and then do a pure popular vote. Then the outcome would be more representative due to the smaller pool of voters.

Other than that, I'm open to ideas. Except the ones that allow 4 cities to have more sway than 4 states. That's silly.
I think ranked choice and seats based on percentage would help solve a lot of our problems. I just don't know how that would solve this Presidential election problem we're arguing about
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Re: What is the Chance of an Electoral College Revolt?

Post by Xenophon » Fri Dec 02, 2016 8:00 pm

AndrewBennett wrote:
Xenophon wrote:
AndrewBennett wrote: Because that's what I've been raised to believe. That I am a citizen and my vote counts.

And I'm not complaining about how electoral votes are counted, I'm complaining about a Byzantine system that needs to be simplified.
The easiest way to simplify it would be to allow states to secede, and then do a pure popular vote. Then the outcome would be more representative due to the smaller pool of voters.

Other than that, I'm open to ideas. Except the ones that allow 4 cities to have more sway than 4 states. That's silly.
I think ranked choice and seats based on percentage would help solve a lot of our problems. I just don't know how that would solve this Presidential election problem we're arguing about
Presidential Election problem? I see no problem. I see a bunch of urbanites whining because their rhetoric effectively marginalized the white working class, costing them the presidency.