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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:21 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:I think China would be open to reunification if the United States were not present on the peninsula, and South Korea were willing to align with Beijing for security instead of the US.

Not sure how feasible that is, especially after what Trump just did.

What China does not want are US troops on their border. The will not accept that, ever.
China would be cool with a Unified Korea that is allied to China, as long as they have assurances that such an alliance would last. If Unified Korea pulls a bait and switch and re-allies with the US and lets them move in military assets that they moved out, in order to bait China into allowing reunification, then that is a giant strategic blunder for them to have walked right into.

It's a risky plan, to say the least, without being able to deeply trust Unified Korea to not stab them in the back like that, it's clearly not worth it for the Chinese. The Chinese can control North Korea a hell of a lot easier than they can control a United Korea.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:24 am

StCapps wrote:China would be cool with a Unified Korea that is allied to China
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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:25 am

You missed the rest of the post that provided context for opening remark. Nice try though.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:27 am

Hey everybody! If Korea allied with China and promised to play by China's rules, like, the Chinese would be totally fine with that!!!

Thank god we have Capps here to navigate the labyrinthine maze that is geopolitics for us.

Jesus Christ.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by StCapps » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:29 am

DBTrek wrote:Hey everybody! If Korea allied with China and promised to play by China's rules, like, the Chinese would be totally fine with that!!!

Thank god we have Capps here to navigate the labyrinthine maze that is geopolitics for us.

Jesus Christ.
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That was not my point. I was pointing out some of the pitfalls of China going with that plan. Read the rest of the post cherry picker.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:30 am

Even in the event that the regime in Pyongyang collapses, that doesn't mean re-unificaiton per se, and certainly not right away, the South Koreans would keep whatever the new regime was, at arms length, they wouldn't take ownership of it, certainly not in the state it would be in, so even if the DPRK were to overthrow the Kim Dynasty, that doesn't mean no more DPRK, it would just be a new regime in Pyongyang, and even if it was moderated and liberalized to some degree, that doesn't mean US troops flowing across the border and driving on the Yalu, even if North Korea were to implode, the most likley scenario would be containment, nobody would want to take ownership of it, not the Chinese, not the ROK, and not the US neither, because anyway you slice it, it would be a mess, a big liability, it's not an asset that any of the parties would actually want to break the Pottery Barn Rule over.

It would still be a buffer zone, the new threat from North Korea would simply shift to being economic refugees spilling into South Korea instead of troops, the South Koreans would want their own Trump Wall to keep the Illegals out, the Chinese would want the same on their border.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:46 am

You know what would happen, right? The South Koreans wouldn't take the North Koreans, the Chinese wouldn't take the North Koreans, so guess where they'd be going? Das right, straight at you, the good ol' USA, the North Koreans would be the new Boat People, you'd be inundated with them, you'd need another Trump Wall all the way up the west coast, because they'd be the new Mexicans, cheap North Korean labour arriving by the desperate boat load, straight to Los Angeles and San Fancisco.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by Speaker to Animals » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:50 am

Canada has better welfare, though..

And Trudeu wants to end white majority in Canada..

So.. Here's looking at you!

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Post by DBTrek » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:51 am

Smitty-48 wrote:You know what would happen, right? The South Koreans wouldn't take the North Koreans, the Chinese wouldn't take the North Koreans, so guess where they'd be going? Das right, straight at you, the good ol' USA, the North Koreans would be the new Boat People, you'd be inundated with them, you'd need another Trump Wall all the way up the west coast, because they'd be the new Mexicans, cheap North Korean labour arriving by the desperate boat load, straight to Los Angeles and San Fancisco.
No doubt there would be mass domestic political movements accusing anyone not hip to taking in 4 million North Koreans of "racism".
Because that's how we roll these days.
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Re: North Korea News

Post by Smitty-48 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:52 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:Canada has better welfare, though..

And Trudeu wants to end white majority in Canada..

So.. Here's looking at you!
Nah, they wouldn't come to Canada, it's too much like North Korea here, they'd all be Freedom Nuts, heading for this Land of the Free that they have heard so much about, plus warm weather, pretty sure the North Koreans would not be fleeing one frozen wasteland just to go to another frozen wasteland.
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