Meanwhile in Iraq & Syria

[Smitty-48]

I promise you, there already is an us vs them mentality among veterans. Sixteen years of endless war with fucking zero shared sacrifice from the civilian population will do that.

Sixteen years? Try 250 years, son, as if the permanent Semi-War just started in 2001? Please, this is America, as it has always been, was there "shared sacrifice" in the Revolution? Was there shared sacrifice in the Civil War? Nope, the vast majority of Americans took a pass, newsflash; "shared sacrifice" is a Unicorn, so quit asking.

Enough with the populist drivel and nostalgia for an America that never was, all you're doing is demanding Unicorns which no one can give you, and then crying about being hard done by ceaselessly, eventually, society is just going to be forced to club you into submission like baby seals, just to get something done for a change, rather than having to put up with the rabble in the way.

I think Smits has a point here you should consider, Okie.

The state's only IRL stock-in-trade is warfare/violence.

The state IS violence. That doesn't mean, IMNSHO, that we shouldn't have a state. I do think we should treat the state like gasoline around a bonfire.

America is an empire, and always has been, yes, it's an Empire of Liberty, but an empire none the less, as in lesser of two evils, but it ain't no People's Republic and never was, if you want a People's Republic, China is right over there; enjoy, comrades.

[Speaker to Animals]

I promise you, there already is an us vs them mentality among veterans. Sixteen years of endless war with fucking zero shared sacrifice from the civilian population will do that.

Sixteen years? Try 250 years, son, as if the permanent Semi-War just started in 2001? Please, this is America, as it has always been, was there "shared sacrifice" in the Revolution? Was there shared sacrifice in the Civil War? Nope, the vast majority of Americans took a pass, newsflash; "shared sacrifice" is a Unicorn, so quit asking.

Enough with the populist drivel and nostalgia for an America that never was, all you're doing is demanding Unicorns which no one can give you, and then crying about being hard done by ceaselessly, eventually, society is just going to be forced to club you into submission like baby seals, just to get something done for a change, rather than having to put up with the rabble in the way.

I think Smits has a point here you should consider, Okie.

The state's only IRL stock-in-trade is warfare/violence.

The state IS violence. That doesn't mean, IMNSHO, that we shouldn't have a state. I do think we should treat the state like gasoline around a bonfire.

So let the state decisions be made by the people who are fighting and dying.

I am all for internal decisions to be made by the actual tax payers. No problem whatsoever there. But when we are talking about foreign policy, the same thing applies.

Freeloading is something libertarians seem to like to discuss. It's just as applicable to armed conflict in any form of democracy. Freeloading in that context spells death of the republic at some point. You can go on only for so long with the plebs demanding more bread and circuses while they send the legions to fight and die in pointless conflicts far from home.

[TheReal_ND]

Turkey to trial Syrian pilot on espionage charges
https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article ... nt=English

[Speaker to Animals]

Also, from a Christian perspective, if you oppose Assad, then you essentially support the genocide of Christians. Our government has been taking our tax dollars and funding the extermination of Christians through their jihadi proxies in Syria.

Consider that maybe our government is not the protagonist in this conflict..

[Martin Hash]

I think only people with doctorates should vote, once for each doctorate; and millionaires should get 1 vote for each million; and business owners; and rocket scientists; let me see, who shouldn't vote? People who disagree with me.

[TheReal_ND]

The tales of Mr. Magoo in Syria

[Speaker to Animals]

I think only people with doctorates should vote, once for each doctorate; and millionaires should get 1 vote for each million; and business owners; and rocket scientists; let me see, who shouldn't vote? People who disagree with me.

Oh, are the people with the doctorates the ones who have to pay for everybody else's decisions? LOL.

When your crackpot system results in invasion or military coup, be sure to tell the soldiers you have a doctorate when they come to arrest you.

It's HILARIOUS that you are the one who always says liberty comes at the point of a gun, and yet you demand somebody else use that gun for your benefit so that you don't have to risk anything. HILARIOUS!

[Martin Hash]

I think only people with doctorates should vote, once for each doctorate; and millionaires should get 1 vote for each million; and business owners; and rocket scientists; let me see, who shouldn't vote? People who disagree with me.

Oh, are the people with the doctorates the ones who have to pay for everybody else's decisions? LOL.

When your crackpot system results in invasion or military coup, be sure to tell the soldiers you have a doctorate when they come to arrest you.

It's HILARIOUS that you are the one who always says liberty comes at the point of a gun, and yet you demand somebody else use that gun for your benefit so that you don't have to risk anything. HILARIOUS!

Dude, do you even have anything to lose? Maybe you should pay a little attention to #1?

p.s. Invasion? Military coup? Democracy will be what defeats liberty.

[heydaralon]

Chemical weapons work not because they kill the most people but because they spread the most terror.
Has no one considered the fact that Assad felt emboldened to use chemical weapons as a result of being supported by the only major power in the field whilst having an American president who stated he was not going to get involved in the ME any more.
I think Trump's military advisers managed to convince him that unless he made a stand his isolationist stance could lead to a lot more of this happening and in fact a red line needed to be drawn.

that was not an answer. that was an msm talking point you parroted like a good trained pet. answer the question or gtfo.

Which part of a vicious dictator using terror against his own people do you struggle to understand?
A man who regularly barrel bombs families and has used chemicals on them before.
I realise it suits your narrative to make up conspiracy theories about your hero being duped into bombing Assad's airfield with false stories about chemical attacks but often the simplest explanation is the truth.
Sure, Trump has exploited this tragedy to suit his own purpose but that does not mean the tragedy was not the fault of Assad. Whether he accidentally bombed a rebel store or as seems more likely deliberately dropped chemicals he was still attacking his own civilian population against the rules of war as set by international organisations such as the UN.
You can argue that it was not the responsibility of the US to act against Assad but don't try and excuse Assad from the guilt of killing Syrian babies.....

There are some Neocons I want you to meet. I dont you know your stance on the Iraq war but substitute Assad for Saddam and you are saying what they said verbatim. Im sure if we get heavily involved in Syria it will turn out differently than every other conflict we injected ourselves in the region. How funny is it that the former veterans in this thread are warning against this war, but the sackless progressives are calling for blood.

[TheReal_ND]