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[StCapps]

Yet their present course of inaction is far more likely to bring about that scenario. Dumb move. You want your terrorist bumper state between you and the west you better keep that lapdog reined in.

The lapdog is reigned in for now, he just likes to bark a lot.

[The Conservative]

China wants nothing to do with a unified Korea that's allied to the US. They won't put up with that shit. China doesn't want the inevitable flood of North Korean refugees and South Korea isn't hot on taking them either. If North Korea falls apart then the Chinese are going to move in to keep some kind of a buffer state between China and South Korea, that is at least neutral. Also if the US is going in, then China is going in, they certainly aren't going to sit back and let the US handle it all and then get fucked over when the dust settles.

They don't need to be "allied" they need to be given their freedom to decide what to do...

[DBTrek]

Has nothing to do with sympathizing with either, the issue is really that the MIC is pushing for three big programs, one is GMD in Alaska, the other two are THAAD-ER and Aegis BMD, so Korea is providing the justification to expand these programs, it's the same game the US was playing with missile defense in Europe, claiming that the missile defense in Poland and the Czech Republic was "cuz Iran", so the Chinese are going to react the same as the Russians did, in that they know that it is pointed at them. Their biggest concern is actually the AN/TPY-2 radar, because it's so long ranged, it can see very deep into Chinese airspace.

It's not even that the US wants a war with China, it's just the MIC Missile Defense programs trying to survive and thrive in the real war, the Pentagon Budget War.

It comes across as more "Evil ol' America" bolshie rhetoric when you're constantly justifying the actions of slave states and terrorist states with "Well America . .. ".

You know what?
Good.

I hope the Chinese totalitarians and North Korean terrorist regime are losing all kinds of sleep over the Eagle of Liberty perching at their doorstep. I hope they're pissing themselves every night with the thought that maybe one day we're just going to say "fuckit" and deliver their people from the grip of dictatorship. We won't do that, of course, because the idea of Global Revolution is a communist one, not an American one. But hey, if the oppressive regimes of Asia think we may operate in the same way they operate, all the better.

[Smitty-48]

THAAD-ER is actually an impressive piece of kit by the way, the original THAAD was just sort of a suped up Patriot, doubled the range and altitude of the MIM-104, but THAAD-ER expands the envelope by orders of magnitude, right out into space, the area that THAAD-ER with AN/TPY-2 radar can cover, is yuge, and it's all truck mounted, towed by tractor trailers, so it's highly mobile, it's definitely going to be a game changer in terms of provoking the Russians and Chinese.

[StCapps]

They don't need to be "allied" they need to be given their freedom to decide what to do...

China doesn't care about North Korea's freedom to decide what they want to do, especially when it deeply conflicts with their interests. Just because America claims to care about the NK people, doesn't mean that China does and that they are willing to fuck themselves over in order to give the NK people that freedom.

[TheOneX]

China wants nothing to do with a unified Korea that's allied to the US. They won't put up with that shit. China doesn't want the inevitable flood of North Korean refugees and South Korea isn't hot on taking them either. If North Korea falls apart then the Chinese are going to move in to keep some kind of a buffer state between China and South Korea, that is at least neutral. Also if the US is going in, then China is going in, they certainly aren't going to sit back and let the US handle it all and then get fucked over when the dust settles.

I think you are overstating China's desire to have a "buffer state". The US and China are already economic allies, the only thing that is really preventing us from being friends are remnants of the Cold War era.

[StCapps]

I think you are overstating China's desire to have a "buffer state". The US and China are already economic allies, the only thing that is really preventing us from being friends are remnants of the Cold War era.

Like Nukes you mean? They aren't going anywhere anytime soon, and neither will China's desire for a buffer state on the Korean Peninsula. Being economic allies does not negate the fact that the US is an existential threat to China. China for one isn't fooled by the current state of affairs into forgetting that very important fact.

You understate China's desire for a buffer state, the Cold War may have ended, but the desire for a buffer state still remains and is quite important to Chinese national security interests.

[Smitty-48]

I think you are overstating China's desire to have a "buffer state". The US and China are already economic allies, the only thing that is really preventing us from being friends are remnants of the Cold War era.

It's a whole new Cold War horizon though, it's not the "remnants", there is a new paradigm, in essence, the Cold War was driven by the tension between the US and the Soviets over seeking a balance with nuclear deterence, and the driving force was missile programs, working its way up through IRBM to MRBM to ICBM and SLBM, but now there is a new destabilizing element, which is ballistic missile defense, which is just getting started, and since there is no balance, in that as in the Cold War, the US has a massive advantage, you're going to get ongoing Cold War like tensions and an associated arms race as a result.

The tension with China over the Korean Peninsula is less about a North Korean buffer zone and more about a South Korean missile base.

[Speaker to Animals]

I think China would be open to reunification if the United States were not present on the peninsula, and South Korea were willing to align with Beijing for security instead of the US.

Not sure how feasible that is, especially after what Trump just did.

What China does not want are US troops on their border. The will not accept that, ever.

[Smitty-48]

The Chinese don't actually believe that US troops on the border is a realistic threat, even if North Korea collapsed, they do not think that the US would as a result move right up to the Yalu, and the US wouldn't do that, because there is no reason for the US to put troops on the Yalu anymore, China has a nuclear deterent, troops on the Yalu would be pointless, this is all about the nukes, it's nukes v. missile defense now, there is no ground war component with the US invading China, the Chinese aren't worried about that.

Neither China nor North Korea take the American bombast about "doing something about North Korea" seriously, they know that is all bluster and bluff, but the Chinese see behind all that, to the true purpose, which is using Korea as a rubric to expand missile defense threatre wide.