Income Inequality

[The Conservative]

Pretty much, yeah. It won't be without growing pains, but here's to efficiency.

Fuck you and your efficiency... Too many people are going to loose jobs, and there aren't enough jobs to replace the ones that are being replaced with. Not at the same salary, or even level of qualifications.

That's progress, buddy. We don't pay a middle-class wage to elevator operators anymore, either.

The ideal of society is not to maintain job counts or employment. It's to move forward, even if it hurts.

Ummm, you really have a fucked up view of society.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fuck you and your efficiency... Too many people are going to loose jobs, and there aren't enough jobs to replace the ones that are being replaced with. Not at the same salary, or even level of qualifications.

That's progress, buddy. We don't pay a middle-class wage to elevator operators anymore, either.

The ideal of society is not to maintain job counts or employment. It's to move forward, even if it hurts.

Ummm, you really have a fucked up view of society.

I think not. It's all buggy whips, in the end.
Catch up, or be left behind.

[The Conservative]

That's progress, buddy. We don't pay a middle-class wage to elevator operators anymore, either.

The ideal of society is not to maintain job counts or employment. It's to move forward, even if it hurts.

Ummm, you really have a fucked up view of society.

I think not. It's all buggy whips, in the end.
Catch up, or be left behind.

Progression for the sake of progression is bad for society, progression with the ability to help of those taken out of work because of it (that want it) should be expected. You don't drop a bomb on people and expect them to live without some level of difficulty if they are forced to attempt to get a new job without skillsets to keep them in the market.

I dealt with that for nearly 4 years, it's not fun, nor should it be expected... especially since education comes at a price, and in many cases those going back to school to learn a new skill, or to brush up can't afford it, but take the loans, etc because they are forced to, or become as you said, left behind.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Ummm, you really have a fucked up view of society.

I think not. It's all buggy whips, in the end.
Catch up, or be left behind.

Progression for the sake of progression is bad for society, progression with the ability to help of those taken out of work because of it (that want it) should be expected. You don't drop a bomb on people and expect them to live without some level of difficulty if they are forced to attempt to get a new job without skillsets to keep them in the market.

I dealt with that for nearly 4 years, it's not fun, nor should it be expected... especially since education comes at a price, and in many cases those going back to school to learn a new skill, or to brush up can't afford it, but take the loans, etc because they are forced to, or become as you said, left behind.

I agree that, once again, public education has left people completely unprepared. I believe you'll find the people calling for that on the Right side of the aisle. All those pointless battles with teacher's unions and budgets have real consequences. Fix that, and fix the problem of people being left behind.

Regardless, it's time for those buggy whips to go. If we can make something more efficiently, then we should - that's the whole basis of capitalism, remember?

[The Conservative]

I think not. It's all buggy whips, in the end.
Catch up, or be left behind.

Progression for the sake of progression is bad for society, progression with the ability to help of those taken out of work because of it (that want it) should be expected. You don't drop a bomb on people and expect them to live without some level of difficulty if they are forced to attempt to get a new job without skillsets to keep them in the market.

I dealt with that for nearly 4 years, it's not fun, nor should it be expected... especially since education comes at a price, and in many cases those going back to school to learn a new skill, or to brush up can't afford it, but take the loans, etc because they are forced to, or become as you said, left behind.

I agree that, once again, public education has left people completely unprepared. I believe you'll find the people calling for that on the Right side of the aisle. All those pointless battles with teacher's unions and budgets have real consequences. Fix that, and fix the problem of people being left behind.

Regardless, it's time for those buggy whips to go. If we can make something more efficiently, then we should - that's the whole basis of capitalism, remember?

Actually fights with school unions aren't unjustified, especially when school unions are too top-heavy...

[SuburbanFarmer]

Progression for the sake of progression is bad for society, progression with the ability to help of those taken out of work because of it (that want it) should be expected. You don't drop a bomb on people and expect them to live without some level of difficulty if they are forced to attempt to get a new job without skillsets to keep them in the market.

I dealt with that for nearly 4 years, it's not fun, nor should it be expected... especially since education comes at a price, and in many cases those going back to school to learn a new skill, or to brush up can't afford it, but take the loans, etc because they are forced to, or become as you said, left behind.

I agree that, once again, public education has left people completely unprepared. I believe you'll find the people calling for that on the Right side of the aisle. All those pointless battles with teacher's unions and budgets have real consequences. Fix that, and fix the problem of people being left behind.

Regardless, it's time for those buggy whips to go. If we can make something more efficiently, then we should - that's the whole basis of capitalism, remember?

Actually fights with school unions aren't unjustified, especially when school unions are too top-heavy...

In the bigger picture though, it's pretty irrelevant. What matters is the level of certification that a student can attain for the marketplace. If you can find a way to convince employers to hire them, that's really all that matters for the bottom tier.

If you're worried about the cost of higher education, then break the university model, and stop funding dropouts with subsidized loans.

[DBTrek]

Notice we never see threads on work ethic inequality, motivation inequality, self discipline inequality or personal responsibility inequality.

[Martin Hash]

This forum doesn't have any Equalist members so extremes never come up.

I have personally invited a couple dozen Equalists that I'm related to, or know from the Democratic Party, to come to this forum and participate. I finally gave up. Unless it's Twitter or Facebook, these people won't debate. All they want to do is throw vindictive, scorn & ridicule in 140 characters that scroll off the screen by the end of the day. It's Instagram-like unilateral communication. They do NOT want to engage honestly.

I noticed this when I was a forum nomad after leaving my old forum a decade ago. After a while, as short as a day & as long as a year, I was no longer welcome. I could tell the political philosophy of the forum just by how they exiled me: Conservative - banned; Progressive - ignore or close down. I have literally had half a dozen Lefty forums shut down rather than give me a platform to talk.

p.s. When I found DCF, I found home... Until he became too Progressive & shut down rather than give a platform for people he disagreed with to talk.

[Ex-California]

Ummm, you really have a fucked up view of society.

I think not. It's all buggy whips, in the end.
Catch up, or be left behind.

Progression for the sake of progression is bad for society, progression with the ability to help of those taken out of work because of it (that want it) should be expected. You don't drop a bomb on people and expect them to live without some level of difficulty if they are forced to attempt to get a new job without skillsets to keep them in the market.

I dealt with that for nearly 4 years, it's not fun, nor should it be expected... especially since education comes at a price, and in many cases those going back to school to learn a new skill, or to brush up can't afford it, but take the loans, etc because they are forced to, or become as you said, left behind.

Why does "work" have to be part of the equation? If society has the means to provide basic necessities to everyone, why continue with the farce of wage slavery?

[The Conservative]

This forum doesn't have any Equalist members so extremes never come up.

I have personally invited a couple dozen Equalists that I'm related to, or know from the Democratic Party, to come to this forum and participate. I finally gave up. Unless it's Twitter or Facebook, these people won't debate. All they want to do is throw vindictive, scorn & ridicule in 140 characters that scroll off the screen by the end of the day. It's Instagram-like unilateral communication. They do NOT want to engage honestly.

I noticed this when I was a forum nomad after leaving my old forum a decade ago. After a while, as short as a day & as long as a year, I was no longer welcome. I could tell the political philosophy of the forum just by how they exiled me: Conservative - banned; Progressive - ignore or close down. I have literally had half a dozen Lefty forums shut down rather than give me a platform to talk.

p.s. When I found DCF, I found home... Until he became too Progressive & shut down rather than give a platform for people he disagreed with to talk.

Sometime's a person's image is more important to them than allowing people to talk.