I don't like Trump

[DBTrek]

There’s going to be no economic collapse as long as we use imaginary money and consumption is less than production. Forcing production to zero with sanctimonious “safety” efforts will do it though.

It will be bewildering for all those Americans whose production is already at zero.

"WTF??!? Why is this happening?!?! I'm doing the same nothing I always do! GRRRRRRRR!!!! TRUUUUUMP!!!! BOOOOOMERS!!!!!"

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

So . . . if only he would've rolled out a stimulus to the "most vulnerable" before their identities were even known, he woulda done better. Yeah, precognition would definitely be a plus in situations like these. Unfortunately, until states started locking down industries no one really knew who those lionized "most vulnerable" people would be. Coulda been Walmart workers. That would've been my guess. But WalMart stayed open, so it looks like I would've failed the precognitive COVID response test too

Ah well.

We knew very early on that the most vulnerable people were the elderly and people with compromised immune systems, et cetera. Designing stimulus around the idea that people who are at high risk for complications would be taken care of if they sheltered-in-place while the vast majority that have light or non-existent symptoms could continue more or less normally would not have required precognition.

We did, did we?
Because of . . . what . . . China's highly reliable data?

No. Gonna have to disagree with you there. We didn't know shit except what the self-protecting Communist party of the PRC wanted us to know until it hit nations with a free press.

And even then we needed a statistically significant infection and death toll before we could draw actionable conclusions.

So yeah - precognition, dude.

You don't need China to know that the elderly and immune compromised are at greater risk for complications. The quick transmission of this virus by people who are suffering mild symptoms, or are entirely symptomatic was also understood fairly early, if my memory serves.

I suspect Trump knew all this when he was downplaying the seriousness of COVID in early March.

[DBTrek]

You don't need China to know that the elderly and immune compromised are at greater risk for complications. The quick transmission of this virus by people who are suffering mild symptoms, or are entirely symptomatic was also understood fairly early, if my memory serves.

Nothing was understood, because the source (PRC) was unreliable. In fact, they publicly humiliated and shamed the very doctors that tried to warn the world, and have clearly released BS mortality numbers to this day.

Nor can we simply mass-assume "The elderly are always at greater risks, cut them the pre-cog stimulus checks" because during the last pandemic:

Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... -h1n1.html

/shrug

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

There’s going to be no economic collapse as long as we use imaginary money and consumption is less than production. Forcing production to zero with sanctimonious “safety” efforts will do it though.

Fortunately, if the AP is to be trusted, Trump is beginning to focus federal efforts on reopening the economy with best-practice guidelines.

It is a shame that we have had four years of "don't take Trump literally" as a defense, since taking him literally is going to be crucial in inspiring consumer confidence and mitigating fear of infection.

[PartyOf5]

As I see it, them main problem with Trump's leadership is that he is unfocused, disorganized, and spotty on important details. The initial White House plan of mitigation and herd immunity could have been the best course if it had been paired with a targeted roll out of stimulus directed at the most vulnerable, allowing them to stay home and socially distance.

Instead of being very clear and intentional about the reasoning and goals of such a plan, Trump spent the first weeks bloviating about how our death rates were superb, and we were already handling everything great. As ever, he seemed more concerned with being perceived as doing a great job, and less focused on actually doing any job at all.

The most vulnerable are retired or in homes. They didn't a stimulus check and they were already at home. As someone with a high-risk category I don't say that lightly. Congress could barely get the stimulus approved and adding in the focus of only those who were most vulnerable would have never gotten done. Where do you cut off the stimulus for those still working? Do you send the obese 55 year old home and tell the 55 year old with a BMI of 24 they have to keep going in to work?

People also fail to separate the media briefings from the job. There is a lot more going on behind the scenes than what is presented in the press briefings. They werre being optimistic at the beginning to prevent panic while they figured things out. I don't 100% agree with that, but I know there is alot of work going on that we never hear about. To say Trump not focused on the job is a dishonest argument based on a sliver of what we know.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You don't need China to know that the elderly and immune compromised are at greater risk for complications. The quick transmission of this virus by people who are suffering mild symptoms, or are entirely symptomatic was also understood fairly early, if my memory serves.

Nothing was understood, because the source (PRC) was unreliable. In fact, they publicly humiliated and shamed the very doctors that tried to warn the world, and have clearly released BS mortality numbers to this day.

Nor can we simply mass-assume "The elderly are always at greater risks, cut them the pre-cog stimulus checks" because during the last pandemic:

Mortality was high in people younger than 5 years old, 20-40 years old, and 65 years and older. The high mortality in healthy people, including those in the 20-40 year age group, was a unique feature of this pandemic.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resour ... -h1n1.html

/shrug

I don't know why you would quote the CDC on the 1918 pandemic as evidence of what we didn't know about this one. I suspect you are being disingenuous.

/shrug

[Martin Hash]

There’s going to be no economic collapse as long as we use imaginary money and consumption is less than production. Forcing production to zero with sanctimonious “safety” efforts will do it though.

Fortunately, if the AP is to be trusted, Trump is beginning to focus federal efforts on reopening the economy with best-practice guidelines.

It is a shame that we have had four years of "don't take Trump literally" as a defense, since taking him literally is going to be crucial in inspiring consumer confidence and mitigating fear of infection.

The MSM’s continually undermining The President is beyond perverse, which is why I’m convinced of foreign involvement; probably the Chinese.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

As I see it, them main problem with Trump's leadership is that he is unfocused, disorganized, and spotty on important details. The initial White House plan of mitigation and herd immunity could have been the best course if it had been paired with a targeted roll out of stimulus directed at the most vulnerable, allowing them to stay home and socially distance.

Instead of being very clear and intentional about the reasoning and goals of such a plan, Trump spent the first weeks bloviating about how our death rates were superb, and we were already handling everything great. As ever, he seemed more concerned with being perceived as doing a great job, and less focused on actually doing any job at all.

The most vulnerable are retired or in homes. They didn't a stimulus check and they were already at home. As someone with a high-risk category I don't say that lightly. Congress could barely get the stimulus approved and adding in the focus of only those who were most vulnerable would have never gotten done. Where do you cut off the stimulus for those still working? Do you send the obese 55 year old home and tell the 55 year old with a BMI of 24 they have to keep going in to work?

People also fail to separate the media briefings from the job. There is a lot more going on behind the scenes than what is presented in the press briefings. They werre being optimistic at the beginning to prevent panic while they figured things out. I don't 100% agree with that, but I know there is alot of work going on that we never hear about. To say Trump not focused on the job is a dishonest argument based on a sliver of what we know.

I am not sure that it would have been harder to pass a more focused and less expensive stimulus than the expensive shotgun one we got.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

There’s going to be no economic collapse as long as we use imaginary money and consumption is less than production. Forcing production to zero with sanctimonious “safety” efforts will do it though.

Fortunately, if the AP is to be trusted, Trump is beginning to focus federal efforts on reopening the economy with best-practice guidelines.

It is a shame that we have had four years of "don't take Trump literally" as a defense, since taking him literally is going to be crucial in inspiring consumer confidence and mitigating fear of infection.

The MSM’s continually undermining The President is beyond perverse, which is why I’m convinced of foreign involvement; probably the Chinese.

It wasn't the MSM that was promoting the "don't take him literally" defense.

[DBTrek]

I don't know why you would quote the CDC on the 1918 pandemic as evidence of what we didn't know about this one. I suspect you are being disingenuous.

/shrug

I suspect you didn't actually read what I said, because it's clear you didn't comprehend.

"Nor can we simply mass-assume "The elderly are always at greater risks, cut them the pre-cog stimulus checks" because during the last pandemic. . ."