The Left Does not Reason

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by C-Mag » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:40 am

jbird4049 wrote: Many on the "Right" and on the "Left" too claim they can about the individual, but I do not see it. Which ever Party is in power people get poorer, our rights mean less, and the wealthy grows evermore powerful. All he laws that protect the weak get discarded while new ones are made to protect the powerful/
The biggest factor here is Globalism. For us it means middle class jobs out and a concentration of wealth. I remember in the 90s when they were selling us on our future service economy. They made it sound great, no more menial assemble lines and hard industrial jobs, now easier jobs based on technology. But Service economies suck for workers, look at any tourist community.

Now here we are..... how do correct the failures or unintended consequences of the past.
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

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C-Mag wrote:
jbird4049 wrote: Many on the "Right" and on the "Left" too claim they can about the individual, but I do not see it. Which ever Party is in power people get poorer, our rights mean less, and the wealthy grows evermore powerful. All he laws that protect the weak get discarded while new ones are made to protect the powerful/
The biggest factor here is Globalism. For us it means middle class jobs out and a concentration of wealth. I remember in the 90s when they were selling us on our future service economy. They made it sound great, no more menial assemble lines and hard industrial jobs, now easier jobs based on technology. But Service economies suck for workers, look at any tourist community.

Now here we are..... how do correct the failures or unintended consequences of the past.
The service economy isn't that bad. People working for 1%'er tips make out like bandits. That's not the issue.

It's still the underlying problem that
1) investors maintain the myth of Eternal Growth, and corporations are enslaved to it - cutting every corner possible, shafting anyone they can for more profits.
2) The government has caved every time they've been tested, and allowed the 1% to accumulate over half of the nation's personal wealth for themselves.
3) As a result of #2, there is no 'Small Business' economy available for anyone. It's all about the megacorps, which continue to do as they please, pillaging the masses.

No economy works in pre-Revolutionary France. It just pacifies the masses a bit longer.
SJWs are a natural consequence of corporatism.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by Fife » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:17 am

I read a post from Pastor Don this morning that hits right at the "left" as what it really is: Totalism.

America is a "house divided" and it cannot stand

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I have before called the underlying ideology of the American Left, totalism. The label was first used by psychiatrist and historian Robert Lifton. Professor Anna Geifman explains the Totalist political world view:

... Its devotees — anarchists, Marxists, or Islamists — want to impose a new order based on an “all-or-nothing claim to truth.” They operate within distinctive parameters of a “theology of Armageddon — a final battle between good and evil” – in which the stakes are nothing less than universal salvation. As outlined in Eric Hoffer’s classic, The True Believer, such movements have mastered the art of “religiofication,” that is, converting political grievances into messianic aspirations and “practical purposes into holy causes.” [HT: American Digest]

No one gravitates to the Left in order to let others live their lives as they see fit. The beating heart of Totalism in all its forms is power and control over others. This is the raison d'etre of the entire American Left.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by Fife » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:45 am

Speaking of Totalism:

For the Media, the Only Jihad Is Against Trump
Meanwhile, the media in its fact-finding mission does nothing to help us because it finds no facts, other than scurrilous gossip about Trump. That's all they seem to look for. Their myriad liberal and progressive pundits make no suggestions either, contribute no fresh ideas (have you noticed?) to the fight, as if the status quo were just fine with them. (This is true of many conservative pundits too -- no thoughts on what to do about radical Islam.) It's a mixture of selfishness and envy from which we all lose. Let our children or our children's children deal with it. (And they will.) There may be a jihad in the big world, people being raped and having their throats cut, bombs going off, trucks driving into crowds of innocent tourists, but to our media, the only jihad worth fighting against is against Trump.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:49 am

To me, the argument should not revolve just around freedom of speech but also around the hate speech that fails to respect the humanity of undocumented people. This speaker has never provided an insightful look at conservatism nor provided intellectual debate to the arena. He has fabricated a tool to sensationalize himself with while providing a platform for white supremacists to come together. He, in fact, wanted to use the power of the state (immigration officers) to deport some of the most outspoken of us, therefore threatening our freedom of speech with the power of the state.

My campus did nothing to stand between my undocumented community and the hateful hands of radicalized white men — the AntiFas did. A peaceful protest was not going to cancel that event, just like numerous letters from faculty, staff, Free Speech Movement veterans and even donors did not cancel the event. Only the destruction of glass and shooting of fireworks did that. The so-called “violence” against private property that the media seems so concerned with stopped white supremacy from organizing itself against my community.
http://www.dailycal.org/2017/02/07/viol ... -students/

To Milo: I’m sorry that you were too scared to stand your ground during a routine Berkeley protest. Hopefully, you’ll think twice now about recruiting at my alma mater, where hate speech may be allowed a platform by the administration but will never be tolerated by the student body. Here’s a big fuck you from the descendants of people who survived genocides by killing Nazis and people just like them.

To people with platforms who decide when a protest should and should not be violent: You speak from a place of immense privilege. As I recently wrote in a tirade against this brand of idiocy, asking people to maintain peaceful dialogue with those who legitimately do not think their lives matter is a violent act. Putting #LoveTrumpsHate at the end of a post is a privilege that many of you take advantage of, especially when there are those of us who know that our grandparents and parents survived hate only through the grace of violent action. No offense.
http://www.dailycal.org/2017/02/07/chec ... -protests/

Antifa was there to protect UC Berkeley students when the administration was not. Within 15 minutes of the bloc’s arrival on Sproul Plaza, Yiannopoulos was being rushed from the building. These were not acts of violence.

They were acts of self defense.

And to Yiannopoulos and all your friends who invited you and hosted you and defended your “right” to speak: I recommend you learn your lesson.

Our shields are raised against you. No one will protect us? We will protect ourselves.
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This is what the left believes.


These are also students who participated in the violence. This wasn't some Milo conspiracy, as hacks like Reich claim on national television without a shred of proof. This is your own house burning down, lefties. Own it.

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by de officiis » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:51 am

"The grace of violent action." My, what glorious doublespeak these folks have adopted.
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by de officiis » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:55 am

Clearly, these people have rejected the fundamental premise of the first amendment that the best way to fight ideas is with better ideas. That suggests either great impatience, great insecurity, or both.
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by C-Mag » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:06 am

de officiis wrote:Clearly, these people have rejected the fundamental premise of the first amendment that the best way to fight ideas is with better ideas. That suggests either great impatience, great insecurity, or both.
+10

They are using any convenient excuse they want to justify violence.
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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by Fife » Mon Feb 13, 2017 11:15 am

If Mother Jones thinks you may have gone a tad too far on exploiting women and glorifying violence, yeah, it may be time for some reflection. I doubt it tho. http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 ... attraction

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Re: The Left Does not Reason

Post by jbird4049 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:31 pm

Fife wrote:I read a post from Pastor Don this morning that hits right at the "left" as what it really is: Totalism.

America is a "house divided" and it cannot stand

[emphasis mine]
I have before called the underlying ideology of the American Left, totalism. The label was first used by psychiatrist and historian Robert Lifton. Professor Anna Geifman explains the Totalist political world view:

... Its devotees — anarchists, Marxists, or Islamists — want to impose a new order based on an “all-or-nothing claim to truth.” They operate within distinctive parameters of a “theology of Armageddon — a final battle between good and evil” – in which the stakes are nothing less than universal salvation. As outlined in Eric Hoffer’s classic, The True Believer, such movements have mastered the art of “religiofication,” that is, converting political grievances into messianic aspirations and “practical purposes into holy causes.” [HT: American Digest]

No one gravitates to the Left in order to let others live their lives as they see fit. The beating heart of Totalism in all its forms is power and control over others. This is the raison d'etre of the entire American Left.
This reminds me of the right also. It really is much the same among true believers of any variety. The big difference, I think, is that a liberal view can drift into all change is good, all the time, while the conservative view goes no change is good, all the time.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.