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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Speaker to Animals » Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:57 am

The reason the tactic is especially moronic is that they were just threatening to literally set 16 year old boys on fire for wearing MAGA hats not one year ago.

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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Montegriffo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:21 am

Speaker to Animals wrote:
Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:57 am
The reason the tactic is especially moronic is that they were just threatening to literally set 16 year old boys on fire for wearing MAGA hats not one year ago.
That is a long term net benefit to the environment though, you can't fault their maths.
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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Martin Hash » Sun Sep 29, 2019 9:40 am

Fuck you.
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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Montegriffo » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:38 am

There's a thread for that.
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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Hastur » Mon Sep 30, 2019 6:58 am

Brief CLINTEL aan VN-baas Guterres
Professor Guus Berkhout
The Hague
guus.berkhout@clintel.org

23 September 2019

Sr. António Guterres, Secretary-General, United Nations,
United Nations Headquarters,
New York, NY 10017, United States of America.

Ms. Patricia Espinosa Cantellano, Executive Secretary,
United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change,
UNFCCC Secretariat, UN Campus, Platz der Vereinten Nationen 1,
53113 Bonn, Germany

Your Excellencies,

There is no climate emergency.

A global network of more than 500 knowledgeable and experienced scientists and professionals in climate and related fields have the honor to address to Your Excellencies the attached European Climate Declaration, for which the signatories to this letter are the national ambassadors.

The general-circulation models of climate on which international policy is at present founded are unfit for their purpose. Therefore, it is cruel as well as imprudent to advocate the squandering of trillions on the basis of results from such immature models. Current climate policies pointlessly, grievously undermine the economic system, putting lives at risk in countries denied access to affordable, continuous electrical power.

We urge you to follow a climate policy based on sound science, realistic economics and genuine concern for those harmed by costly but unnecessary attempts at mitigation. We ask you to place the Declaration on the agenda of your imminent New York session.

We also invite you to organize with us a constructive high-level meeting between world-class scientists on both sides of the climate debate early in 2020. The meeting will give effect to the sound and ancient principle no less of sound science than of natural justice that both sides should be fully and fairly heard. Audiatur et altera pars!

Please let us know your thoughts about such a joint meeting.

Yours sincerely, ambassadors of the European Climate Declaration,

Professor Guus Berkhout – The Netherlands
Professor Richard Lindzen – USA
Professor Reynald Du Berger – French Canada
Professor Ingemar Nordin – Sweden
Terry Dunleavy – New Zealand
Jim O’Brien – Rep. of Ireland
Viv Forbes – Australia
Professor Alberto Prestininzi – Italy
Professor Jeffrey Foss – English Canada
Professor Benoît Rittaud – France
Morten Jødal – Norway
Professor Fritz Vahrenholt – Germany
Rob Lemeire – Belgium
The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley – UK

There is no climate emergency
A global network of 500 scientists and professionals has prepared this urgent message. Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific. Scientists should openly address the uncertainties and exaggerations in their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately count the real benefits as well as the imagined costs of adaptation to global warming, and the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of mitigation.

Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming
The geological archive reveals that Earth’s climate has varied as long as the planet has existed, with natural cold and warm phases. The Little Ice Age ended as recently as 1850. Therefore, it is no surprise that we now are experiencing a period of warming.

Warming is far slower than predicted
The world has warmed at less than half the originally-predicted rate, and at less than half the rate to be expected on the basis of net anthropogenic forcing and radiative imbalance. It tells us that we are far from understanding climate change.

Climate policy relies on inadequate models
Climate models have many shortcomings and are not remotely plausible as policy tools. Moreover, they most likely exaggerate the effect of greenhouse gases such as CO2. In addition, they ignore the fact that enriching the atmosphere with CO2 is beneficial.

CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth
CO2 is not a pollutant. It is essential to all life on Earth. Photosynthesis is a blessing. More CO2 is beneficial for nature, greening the Earth: additional CO2 in the air has promoted growth in global plant biomass. It is also good for agriculture, increasing the yields of crop worldwide.

Global warming has not increased natural disasters
There is no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying hurricanes, floods, droughts and suchlike natural disasters, or making them more frequent. However, CO2-mitigation measures are as damaging as they are costly. For instance, wind turbines kill birds and bats, and palm-oil plantations destroy the biodiversity of the rainforests.

Policy must respect scientific and economic realities
There is no climate emergency. Therefore, there is no cause for panic and alarm. We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy proposed for 2050. If better approaches emerge, and they certainly will, we have ample time to reflect and adapt. The aim of international policy should be to provide reliable and affordable energy at all times, and throughout the world.
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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Zlaxer » Mon Sep 30, 2019 7:22 am

Lolz - Everyone knows the "emergency" is a globalist scam to transfer wealth to 0.1% and increase government power.

Should we ween ourselves off fossil fuels? Yes.

Are we headed in that direction? Yes.

Is anyone pressuring the real problem (PRC)? No. *This one says it all.

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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Martin Hash » Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:58 am

I donno ‘bout this one but it’s damning if real.

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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by Hastur » Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:04 am

Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:58 am
I donno ‘bout this one but it’s damning if real.

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Doesn't surprise me at all. From what I've heard the climate models doesn't even include clouds because they are too hard to predict.
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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by C-Mag » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:12 am

Hastur wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 6:04 am
Martin Hash wrote:
Tue Oct 01, 2019 5:58 am
I donno ‘bout this one but it’s damning if real.

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Doesn't surprise me at all. From what I've heard the climate models doesn't even include clouds because they are too hard to predict.
There is a real arrogance of technological man involved with this whole thing. Imagining you are so advanced and important that you affect everything around you. Not being able to grasp that your impact on this world may be insignificant and fleeting.
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Re: Climate Denier Hard To Refute

Post by C-Mag » Tue Oct 01, 2019 9:59 am

Feels like this should be a Biden meme
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