Why are you conservative, why are you liberal, why are you independent?

[Speaker to Animals]

This is one of the saddest logic fails I have ever read.

See how that works?

Liberals of all stripes lock down the political discourse by ignoring all the other arguments and ideas that oppose liberalism. You are only allowed in your little lanes. Go outside those lanes and you are "screaming", "ranting", "logic failing", "hating", and so forth. The two sides go at each other from their little lanes like Tron cyclists, but as soon as somebody steps off the grid, they join forces to beat down the interloper. That grid they race on is the Enlightenment program. Their little infighting game really amounts to little other than to make use of the grid. You can see it well when anybody questions the Enlightenment. They will protect the grid at all costs. All discussion outside the boundaries of the Enlightenment program are off-grid and verboten.

Ya know who rejects the Enlightenment project pretty hard?

Post-modernists.

AKA Marxism.

Already covered that.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

See how that works?

Liberals of all stripes lock down the political discourse by ignoring all the other arguments and ideas that oppose liberalism. You are only allowed in your little lanes. Go outside those lanes and you are "screaming", "ranting", "logic failing", "hating", and so forth. The two sides go at each other from their little lanes like Tron cyclists, but as soon as somebody steps off the grid, they join forces to beat down the interloper. That grid they race on is the Enlightenment program. Their little infighting game really amounts to little other than to make use of the grid. You can see it well when anybody questions the Enlightenment. They will protect the grid at all costs. All discussion outside the boundaries of the Enlightenment program are off-grid and verboten.

Ya know who rejects the Enlightenment project pretty hard?

Post-modernists.

AKA Marxism.

Already covered that.

Embracing Marxism does get easier once you reject personal liberty, but you can be post-modern without it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Ya know who rejects the Enlightenment project pretty hard?

Post-modernists.

AKA Marxism.

Already covered that.

Embracing Marxism does get easier once you reject personal liberty, but you can be post-modern without it.

Marxism is the end result of liberalism, though. Most Marxists out there were liberals once.

Which is why I get such a laugh out of YouTube videos by these pro-Enlightenment liberals wanting to save the Enlightenment. I mean. Hello?? This is what happens when you let liberalism run its course. LOL

[nmoore63]

The endless bitchy quips are stacking up.

I do like okee’s witty irony.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

AKA Marxism.

Already covered that.

Embracing Marxism does get easier once you reject personal liberty, but you can be post-modern without it.

Marxism is the end result of liberalism, though. Most Marxists out there were liberals once.

Which is why I get such a laugh out of YouTube videos by these pro-Enlightenment liberals wanting to save the Enlightenment. I mean. Hello?? This is what happens when you let liberalism run its course. LOL

When you 'let liberalism run its course' you get Marxism?

That is what the Marxists argue, I guess.

[Speaker to Animals]

Embracing Marxism does get easier once you reject personal liberty, but you can be post-modern without it.

Marxism is the end result of liberalism, though. Most Marxists out there were liberals once.

Which is why I get such a laugh out of YouTube videos by these pro-Enlightenment liberals wanting to save the Enlightenment. I mean. Hello?? This is what happens when you let liberalism run its course. LOL

When you 'let liberalism run its course' you get Marxism?

That is what the Marxists argue, I guess.

Because it's bloody obvious.

[doc_loliday]

That's the lie, though. They always claim we should liberalize something because it doesn't hurt anybody else. Yet it does end up hurting everybody else. Fornication leads to the spread of diseases. Abortion, if you won't admit you are killing a human being in the process, wipes out the entire social welfare system of a nation by slowly inverting the demographic pyramid. Remember when they argued that we should let homosexuals marry because it won't affect anybody else? That lasted all of about, what, six to eight years before they started trying to shut people's businesses down and run people out of their jobs?

There really is no such thing as "it doesn't harm anybody else" with moral matters. Everything that is immoral harms us all. The question is not whether we should legalize and approve of it. The question is what level of sanction or disapproval should we apply?

This applies to economics as well.

This is one of the saddest logic fails I have ever read.

See how that works?

Liberals of all stripes lock down the political discourse by ignoring all the other arguments and ideas that oppose liberalism. You are only allowed in your little lanes. Go outside those lanes and you are "screaming", "ranting", "logic failing", "hating", and so forth. The two sides go at each other from their little lanes like Tron cyclists, but as soon as somebody steps off the grid, they join forces to beat down the interloper. That grid they race on is the Enlightenment program. Their little infighting game really amounts to little other than to make use of the grid. You can see it well when anybody questions the Enlightenment. They will protect the grid at all costs. All discussion outside the boundaries of the Enlightenment program are off-grid and verboten.

Wait, wait, wait. So I say let people do what they so long as they dont hurt anyone, and you pick an example of somebody hurting someone with their actions and cant see the logic fail. You're either retarded or a liar. I think youre a liar, but I wouldn't rule out a retarded liar.

I been hearing from tbe guns kill people crowd since forever. This is nothing new. Nanny staters gonna nanny.

[Speaker to Animals]

This is one of the saddest logic fails I have ever read.

See how that works?

Liberals of all stripes lock down the political discourse by ignoring all the other arguments and ideas that oppose liberalism. You are only allowed in your little lanes. Go outside those lanes and you are "screaming", "ranting", "logic failing", "hating", and so forth. The two sides go at each other from their little lanes like Tron cyclists, but as soon as somebody steps off the grid, they join forces to beat down the interloper. That grid they race on is the Enlightenment program. Their little infighting game really amounts to little other than to make use of the grid. You can see it well when anybody questions the Enlightenment. They will protect the grid at all costs. All discussion outside the boundaries of the Enlightenment program are off-grid and verboten.

Wait, wait, wait. So I say let people do what they so long as they dont hurt anyone, and you pick an example of somebody hurting someone with their actions and cant see the logic fail. You're either retarded or a liar. Possibly a retarded liar.

The premise you don't allow anybody to question is whether moral behavior doesn't harm anybody else. Pro tip: it definitely harms others.

If it didn't harm anybody, it wouldn't be a moral issue.

You can get a tattoo of two dogs fucking on your left ass cheek. Does not harm anybody but yourself. Also not a moral issue.

[doc_loliday]

Safe sex doesnt lead to disease you moralizing mommy.

[doc_loliday]

More "gun ownership causes murder" nannying. Learn some responsibilty.