DBTrek wrote:Did Dickens go on to examine why only one culture of people with small “furniture of their pockets” would stonewall police over a murdered child, while the rest would not?
Or are you just adding one more excuse to the pile so that a broken culture can continue unexamined?
Because that seems to be the theme of the thread now. Everyone make excuses. No one think critically.
/shrug
Well, Barsad and Cly are a couple of snitches, and that gets an innocent man killed by the state... make of it what you will.
HAIL!
Her needs America so they won't just take his shit away like in some pussy non gun totting countries can happen.
-Hwen
DBTrek wrote:Did Dickens go on to examine why only one culture of people with small “furniture of their pockets” would stonewall police over a murdered child, while the rest would not?
Or are you just adding one more excuse to the pile so that a broken culture can continue unexamined?
Because that seems to be the theme of the thread now. Everyone make excuses. No one think critically.
/shrug
Well, Barsad and Cly are a couple of snitches, and that gets an innocent man killed by the state... make of it what you will.
Wow.
Strong words. Not sure what to make of that. I don’t think they guy is exaggerating, but I think he may be painting with too broad a brush in places.
If you didn’t read this public defender’s analysis of dealing with hood culture, you should.
Unless you’re Nukedog. No one should let ND read this because it gives him too much material to mine.
Wow.
Strong words. Not sure what to make of that. I don’t think they guy is exaggerating, but I think he may be painting with too broad a brush in places.
If you didn’t read this public defender’s analysis of dealing with hood culture, you should.
Unless you’re Nukedog. No one should let ND read this because it gives him too much material to mine.
I don't doubt him but he is dealing with a portion of the population.
The way I see it the hood culture isn't broken. It's working as intended. The problem is that you have two cultures living side by side. Hood culture is a shame society. That is quite common in primitive societies with a weak social contract. In the west, we have grown used to live in a guilt culture.
You know you are good or bad by what your conscience feels. We have clear rules and laws and we all agree to follow them. In a shame culture, you know you are good or bad by what your community says about you, by whether it honors or excludes you. In a guilt culture people sometimes feel they do bad things; in a shame culture, social exclusion makes people feel they are bad.
We see the same problems in Europe now that we get so many MENA immigrants. They are all from cultures that care more about shame and clan than they do about the rule of law. Guilt culture came with Christianity. The notion of original sin somehow plays into this. I'm unclear on the details. Shame culture is still prevalent in some Mediterranean Christians countries though. Look at southern Italy and Andalusia for example. Mexico is a shame society as well btw.
The only remedy for the problem is integration. We must somehow get these people into normal society. Getting them off crime and welfare and into the living of the fruits of their own labor would be a nice start.
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna
Nie lügen die Menschen so viel wie nach einer Jagd, während eines Krieges oder vor Wahlen. - Otto von Bismarck
You say there are two different cultures living side by side, one primitive and one advanced, and you think you can integrate them through government policy to result in a new even more advanced society???
Cause, I believe we are already doing that and at best all it is doing is causing the advanced culture to regress to the mean because we can no longer row at a faster speed because the slower rowers not only can't keep up but are sabotaging the ship to make their ride more pleasurable.
“I've got a phone that allows me to convene Americans from every walk of life, nonprofits, businesses, the private sector, universities to try to bring more and more Americans together around what I think is a unifying theme..." - Obama
kybkh wrote:You say there are two different cultures living side by side, one primitive and one advanced, and you think you can integrate them through government policy to result in a new even more advanced society???
Cause, I believe we are already doing that and at best all it is doing is causing the advanced culture to regress to the mean because we can no longer row at a faster speed because the slower rowers not only can't keep up but are sabotaging the ship to make their ride more pleasurable.
Nope.
I believe that the only reason the primitive culture survives in its current form is through to much government policy. It's subsidized by the advanced culture because it leverages white guilt and ideas of social progressiveness. The solution, if there is any, lies in the direction of less intervention.
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna
Nie lügen die Menschen so viel wie nach einer Jagd, während eines Krieges oder vor Wahlen. - Otto von Bismarck
When you start talking integration as the answer though, usually that means government forced integration.
There must to be a common culture or there will be conflict.
IMO, this goes back to how Liberals have changed America's theme from of a overwhelming positive narrative in which most people found common cause in, to that of a genocidal rapist which is becoming much more prevalent in communities of color which is the fastest growing segment of our population.
What do Central and South American schools teach their children about America?
I honestly don't know. I'd hate to think its similar to what some kids are taught in a Palestinian schools about Israel.
“I've got a phone that allows me to convene Americans from every walk of life, nonprofits, businesses, the private sector, universities to try to bring more and more Americans together around what I think is a unifying theme..." - Obama
If we stop subsidizing them they will have to integrate in order to function in our culture. Alternatively, they can continue as a totally separate culture parasitical on ours through crime, like most organized crime organizations, but I doubt they would be able to support the same population numbers.
An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur? - Axel Oxenstierna
Nie lügen die Menschen so viel wie nach einer Jagd, während eines Krieges oder vor Wahlen. - Otto von Bismarck
