Swiss may have best immigration policy.

[BjornP]

@bjorn: If she has no right to talk about cow bells to the Swiss because of cultural relativity then she has no right to talk to Muslims about clit cutting for the same reason.

I don't support anyone's "right" to speak to anyone. You have a right to speech, period. No one has a "right" to an audience. I don't have a right that says you must read my posts, or vice versa. You can speak to anyone, and they may listen to you... but it's not a right. If you argue like an asshole, chances are people won't listen to you, for example.

Your point about cultural relativism falls flat in this thread. There is nothing wrong with, and nothing un-culturally relativist, about criticizing other cultures. You can respect people's right to be different, while at the same disagreeing alot with those differences.

[Montegriffo]

If it were up to American farmers you'd have low paid Mexican fruit pickers coming out of your ears.

[Fife]

@bjorn: If she has no right to talk about cow bells to the Swiss because of cultural relativity then she has no right to talk to Muslims about clit cutting for the same reason.

I don't support anyone's "right" to speak to anyone. You have a right to speech, period. No one has a "right" to an audience. I don't have a right that says you must read my posts, or vice versa. You can speak to anyone, and they may listen to you... but it's not a right. If you argue like an asshole, chances are people won't listen to you, for example.

Your point about cultural relativism falls flat in this thread. There is nothing wrong with, and nothing un-culturally relativist, about criticizing other cultures. You can respect people's right to be different, while at the same disagreeing alot with those differences.

Bjorn + property, FTW!

[DBTrek]

If it were up to American farmers you'd have low paid Mexican fruit pickers coming out of your ears.

Gee ... I wonder what that would be like...


... wait....

(Cows are sacred to Hindus, so I bet a lot more tech jobs open up. Bring on the farmers)

[TheReal_ND]

@bjorn: If she has no right to talk about cow bells to the Swiss because of cultural relativity then she has no right to talk to Muslims about clit cutting for the same reason.

I don't support anyone's "right" to speak to anyone. You have a right to speech, period. No one has a "right" to an audience. I don't have a right that says you must read my posts, or vice versa. You can speak to anyone, and they may listen to you... but it's not a right. If you argue like an asshole, chances are people won't listen to you, for example.

Your point about cultural relativism falls flat in this thread. There is nothing wrong with, and nothing un-culturally relativist, about criticizing other cultures. You can respect people's right to be different, while at the same disagreeing alot with those differences.

Bjorn + property, FTW!

[Fife]

Leave Britney alone.

[Penner]

Swiss town denies passport to Dutch vegan because she is ‘too annoying’

A Dutch vegan who applied for a Swiss passport has had her application rejected because the locals found her too annoying. Nancy Holten, 42, moved to Switzerland from the Netherlands when she was eight years old and now has children who are Swiss nationals. However, when she tried to get a Swiss passport for herself, residents of Gipf-Oberfrick in the canton of Aargau rejected her application.

Ms Holten, a vegan and animal rights activist, has campaigned against the use of cowbells in the village and her actions have annoyed the locals. The resident’s committee argued that if she does not accept Swiss traditions and the Swiss way of life, she should not be able to become an official national.

Ms Holten told local media: “The bells, which the cows have to wear when they walk to and from the pasture, are especially heavy. “The animals carry around five kilograms around their neck. It causes friction and burns to their skin.”

She added: “The sound that cow bells make is a hundred decibel. It is comparable with a pneumatic drill. We also would not want such a thing hanging close to our ears?”

Tanja Suter, the president of the local Swiss People’s Party, claimed Ms Holten has a “big mouth” and that residents did not want to grant her citizenship “if she annoys us and doesn’t respect our traditions”....

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/swiss-town-de ... 16437.html

Vegans ARE annoying. All they ever talk about is how they are better than you for being a Vegan.

[JohnDonne]

@bjorn: If she has no right to talk about cow bells to the Swiss because of cultural relativity then she has no right to talk to Muslims about clit cutting for the same reason.

I don't support anyone's "right" to speak to anyone. You have a right to speech, period. No one has a "right" to an audience. I don't have a right that says you must read my posts, or vice versa. You can speak to anyone, and they may listen to you... but it's not a right. If you argue like an asshole, chances are people won't listen to you, for example.

Your point about cultural relativism falls flat in this thread. There is nothing wrong with, and nothing un-culturally relativist, about criticizing other cultures. You can respect people's right to be different, while at the same disagreeing alot with those differences.

When I said she has the right to speak to the Swiss about their cowbells I was talking about a moral right, (a distinction in English from actual constitutionally or lawfully recognized rights) in response to the claims that she was somehow an asshole, or morally in the wrong for complaining about Swiss culture while living there. I am saying she was morally correct and not an asshole to criticize another culture for their cruel practices , no matter where she is from or where she lives, because wrong is wrong and right is right. I was not saying the Swiss are legally obligated to be her audience.

About cultural relativism, I am denying the idea that to criticize cruelty is to "impose ones morality" on another in an unfair manner. I never said or implied that it was "un-culturally relativistic" to criticize other cultures, I am saying criticism of other cultures is compatible with both universal morality as well as relativistic morality.

I can respect the right of a culture to be different only so far as the culture respects the individual's rights. For I don't recognize the "right" to take away rights, that is not a "right" of any sort, if you are confused about the matter I am sorry for you.

[JohnDonne]

Who says the Swiss don't want her living there?
The local population of farmers rejected her citizenship, no one called for her exile as far as I know. Seems like a pretty rotten system when her citizenship can be rejected by self serving cow herders based on opposition to their inhumane farming practices.

Sounds like a better system than our current approach of “If you can get your feet on the soil, then you’re in. Anyone opposed is racist.”
I’ll trade that for a council of grumpy farmers regulating immigration policy today. Where do I sign up?

I hear the swiss are taking applications.

[clubgop]

I don't know if you have been to Switzerland or not but if you have you would find the Cow bells bloody annoying after a while.
Not saying I would campaign to stop the practice but the novelty wears off pretty quickly.

Especially when all the neighborhood parents get wise to monty and start putting them on children. A constant sound that gives you an uncomfortable erection. Yeah that must be annoying.