LET'S BAN GUNS!

[Smitty-48]

It's like the kid we had here who shot those Mounties down in Moncton, luckily, he was just after Mounties, he had a beef with the cops, but he also executed that operation perfectly, with an M14, single aimed shots, methodical, tactical, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, which is why them Mounties didn't stand a chance, and he didn't learn that in the military, he just picked it up on his own around the trailer park.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Even so, the cross section of people who have the mindset and inclination to go spree killing, and the people with the inclination and mindset to dedicate to becoming a self-made operator might be pretty slim.

[Smitty-48]

Even so, the cross section of people who have the mindset and inclination to go spree killing, and the people with the inclination and mindset to dedicate to becoming a self-made operator might be pretty slim.

Nah, America has gone tactical since 1994, that is what started this whole thing, the 1994 AWB, that took America from being guys in flannel shirts hunting ducks, to being guys in multicam hunting people, and the two animals, the mass shooter and the homemade operator, that's starting to merge, that's the future, mad men who think like Charlie Manson, but shoot like Charlie Beckwith, it's just a matter of time now.

The liberal gun control mania, is the cause of a backlash which is just as maniacal, and more heavily armed than ever, and getting more militarized all the time as it goes. What's the motivation? Rage. It's not crazy, these people are not hallucinating, they're mad, but they're not crazy, and that means they can train to get better at what they do, and they will, and the more the liberals try to stop them, the worse it's gonna get.

[BjornP]

I wonder if anyone actually bothered to make a statistical comparison between the guns pr. capita + the number of mass shootings in the US a 100 years ago vs. guns pr. capita + number of mass shootings in the US in the last decade?

Focusing only on the tools of these mass shootings, rather than the psychological, social and/or cultural motivation behind the murder, and wether these motivations are becoming more widespread, seems an ineffective and short term solution.

[ssu]

Oh yes,

The most macabre competition that only in the United States can emerge: which mass-shooter gets the most killed? Who gets 100 killed?

Only in America.

It's like the kid we had here who shot those Mounties down in Moncton, luckily, he was just after Mounties, he had a beef with the cops, but he also executed that operation perfectly, with an M14, single aimed shots, methodical, tactical, slow is smooth, smooth is fast, which is why them Mounties didn't stand a chance, and he didn't learn that in the military, he just picked it up on his own around the trailer park.

These kinds of mass shootings do happen, but they in the end are Limited in scope as typically those people that the killer has a grudge with are few too. Their objective is not to kill any person that they can. Luckily, psychopaths that go on these killing sprees have so many problems, that they simply don't have capability to wreck havoc that could be possible. In Iraq or Afghanistan you start to have "professionalism" in bomb attacks that the body count goes up (usually with timed bombs to go afterward off when the rescue effort is underway).

I'd say the "challenge" for a capable psycho nutjob would be to go to an NRA meeting and have there his or her psycho moment. Now that would be a true shootout and we could see how much protection having a gun around actually makes. Also would be interesting to see how capable the "Armed Militia" that some gun owners portray to be is in reality. And I bet many liberals simply couldn't resist to jeer about it (which would show their hypocrisy when it comes to the value of human life).

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Nah, America has gone tactical since 1994, that is what started this whole thing, the 1994 AWB, that took America from being guys in flannel shirts hunting ducks, to being guys in multicam hunting people, and the two animals, the mass shooter and the homemade operator, that's starting to merge, that's the future, mad men who think like Charlie Manson, but shoot like Charlie Beckwith, it's just a matter of time now.

The liberal gun control mania, is the cause of a backlash which is just as maniacal, and more heavily armed than ever, and getting more militarized all the time as it goes.

First of all, don't besmirch Charlie Manson. He just wanted to get groovy out in the desert with some dune buggies, and be a fifth columnist in the race war... things just went a little off the rails.

Second, the militia types seem to really rack up big numbers with bombings, McVeigh to IRA. Spree killing is way more emotional. The planning to action phase is pretty quick most of the time(from what I understand). I think these are two very different categories of people, with different mindsets and motivations.

Mind you, I am really ambivalent about gun control. I just don't think you can say there is absolutely no way that some gun control measures would reduce either the frequency or lethality of spree killings.

[Smitty-48]

It's not psycopaths, that's a misdiagnosis, psycopaths do not go on suicide missions, ever, self preservation, regime surivival, is the highest imperative to a psychopath, they don't even want to get caught, never mind go down swinging, psycopaths are all about stealth, they never come out guns a blazing. The mass shooters are not psycopaths, they're not crazy at all, they're not hallucinating, they're not irrational, this is just regular folk, who become enraged, to the point of being suicidal, and then decide to take a few with them when they go, cruel, perhaps, but not crazy.

[Smitty-48]

I just don't think you can say there is absolutely no way that some gun control measures would reduce either the frequency or lethality of spree killings.

Not enough to make it worth the draconian regulatory malpractice and useless security theater, quite frankly, if these mass shooters just limited their targeting to liberals who advocated mindlessly for gun control, I wouldn't have a beef with them, my major beef with mass shooters, is that they shoot the wrong people, if this guy had just shot a bunch of liberal politicians and activists, who would shed a tear for them? Not me.

If the violent extemists would just target the right people, the liberal people who are actually looking for trouble by calling these guys out, that's OK, that would just be war, and it would be just, but it's the targeting of the non combatants, that's what pisses me off.

Go ahead and have your war, militarize the culture wars as you please, but pick your targets, don't just blast people at random, that ain't right.

It's like the PIRA, if they had just killed Margaret Thatcher? I wouldn't have sided with them of course, but at the same time, I wouldn't say she wasn't fair game. It was a war, she was targeting them, they weren't justified with blowing up random people in pubs, on the other hand, targeted assasination against DPH? It's certainly not crazy, it's not irrational, that's just war.

[Hastur]

Reminds me of

[ssu]

It's not psycopaths, that's a misdiagnosis, psycopaths do not go on suicide missions, ever, self preservation, regime surivival, is the highest imperative to a psychopath, they don't even want to get caught, never mind go down swinging, psycopaths are all about stealth, they never come out guns a blazing. The mass shooters are not psycopaths, they're not crazy at all, they're not hallucinating, they're not irrational, this is just regular folk, who become enraged, to the point of being suicidal, and then decide to take a few with them when they go, cruel, perhaps, but not crazy.

Too narrow definition of a psycho, I say.

Anybody that goes to kill anybody they just possibly can has serious mental problems and a serious lack of empathy. Now they might not have the violent antisocial behaviour before, that's true, but at the moment they do show it. So you can call them psychopaths. Motivation being angry about something is telling.