There shall be a movie called Iraqi Sniper...

[Smitty-48]

War documentary, war movie, not the same thing, that's the mistake the HLPW's are making; don't make a documentary, make a movie, when we want to watch a documentary, we'll watch a documentary, I don't think Apocalypse Now is a docudrama, but that's the whole point, it's epic, it's over the top, it's metaphor, it's not a laundry list of "wanh-wanh-wanh, we should never had gone to Vietnam", it's meta, it's going down the river, it's not supposed to be realistic, it's realer than real, in its unreality, and that's what a movie is for, if I want academic, I'll watch a documentary, but I'm not paying thirty bucks to watch a documentary on the big screen larger than life, I can watch a documentary anytime I want on youtube.

You want Vietnam the Documentary? No problemo, just google The Ten Thousand Day War, and it's great, but it's not a movie, obviously if you want Vietnam the Movie, you google Platoon.

That's the whole problem with the GWOT movies; the HLPW's only want to make dreary wanh-wanh-wanh docudramas so they can sermonize about the evils of George W. Bush or whatever, but that's neither documentary nor movie, and as such; nobody fuckin' cares, there's no there there, we get the sermons from the liberal media all day everyday, we're not going to pay thirty bucks to watch MSNBC and CNN, on the big screen, why would we?

[ssu]

War documentary, war movie, not the same thing, that's the mistake the HLPW's are making; don't make a documentary, make a movie, when we want to watch a documentary, we'll watch a documentary, I don't think Apocalypse Now is a docudrama, but that's the whole point, it's epic, it's over the top, it's metaphor, it's not a laundry list of "wanh-wanh-wanh, we should never had gone to Vietnam", it's a metaphor, it's going down the river, it's not supposed to be realistic, it's realer than real, in its unreality, and that's what a movie is for, if I want academic, I'll watch a documentary, but I'm not paying thirty bucks to watch a documentary on the big screen larger than life, I can watch a documentary anytime I want on youtube.

You want Vietnam the documentary? No problemo, just google The Ten Thousand Day War, and it's great, but it's not a movie, obviously if you want Vietnam the Movie, you google Platoon.

Movie as art and as a metaphor to describe feelings is one thing. You can have the epic or the poetic portrayal. Yet I think that in war films realism and that the actors portray how military men really act in war is important because it is so off from our ordinary life. Otherwise you end up with caricatures. After all, what is a lousy WW2? The one where the Spitfire is trying to shoot down a V-1 rocket flying over a Nuclear Power Plant. There's no intended poetic argument or message, it's just that the director has wanted some aerial footage behind the plastic V-1 rocket model and hasn't either cared or known that there weren't any nuclear power plants in England during WW2. Just like the vapour-trails of airliners in the sky in a Wild Western, it can bit put you off.

After all, this Iraqi Sniper movie can be extremely crappy. And crappily made movies once you know something about the historical facts will tend to be annoying. But if your totally clueless with absolutely no idea of reality, heck, you might find the movie even educative.

Of crappy war films: Finnish Winter War was at that time so interesting that it got Hollywood to do a war movie about the conflict called "Ski Patrol" in 1940. Never mind that Finland doesn't look like at all like Norway, or Finns didn't wear Tyrolean outfits. But great that Hollywood did a film about it!

[Smitty-48]

Look at this list of Iraq War movies...

https://www.google.ca/search?q=iraq+war ... voavyImaAG

... it's all dogshit, ever single one, just one "wanh-wanh-wanh George W. Bush!" sermon after the next, there's no Kilgore, there's no Barnes, there's no Hartman, it's all sermonizing docudrama, every single Iraq War movie with any sort of decent production value, it's like wathcing two hours of MSNBC, as vetted by Michael Moore.

And before you say "Generation Kill", it's still an "oh woe is America wanh-wanh-wanh George W. Bush" docudrama, it's just slightly more action packed than most of them, but only slightly, and still 99% preaching even then.

[Smitty-48]

Oh notice the fuckin' actors they pick to be the dreary ponderous "wanh-wanh-wanh no WMD" anti heroes? Matt Damon? Leonardo DiCaprio? Bradley Cooper? Marky Mark?

They make me wanna fuckin' puke, I just want scarfaced Tom Berenger to come on screen and chop their Beta heads off with a machete.

[StCapps]

HBO level is Band of Brothers, case in point; whole new paradigm, Saving Private Ryan The Series, swept everything that came before it aside. Oh, foreign devils, you wanna take this game to TV too? No problemo, sayonara, chumps.

Almost all great television is American, the Yanks have a near de facto monopoly on quality television. Foreigners can't hang, they mostly just do cheap rip offs of American shows, and mostly bad American shows at that, with only a handful of exceptions.

[Speaker to Animals]

I just want scarfaced Tom Berenger to come on screen and chop their Beta heads off with a machete.

You could build a kick ass movie just from that idea alone.

[Okeefenokee]

Hurt Locker was boring, didn't go anywhere, didn't have a plot, "wanh-wanh, I'm EOD, the end" Zzzzz.

Not to mention the only people who didn't roll their eyes at it for complete horseshit on realism were civies.

[Okeefenokee]

Please, the Italians have no chance, it was all Clint Eastwood, without Eastwood those movies are unwatchable.

Nobody has a chance against America, America doesn't have to get it right everytime, all America has to do is hit one out of ten, but when that one is Sergeant Barnes or Colonel Kilgore? It's over, game, set, and match.

Once Upon a Time in the West is a good Leone movie. That one didnt have Eastwood. Its been awhile since I saw it.

Henry Fonda, Jason Robards, Charles Bronson, nuff said.

Leone worked for Hollywood, those weren't Italian movies, they were American movies shot in Italy.

Check first. Probably shot in spain.

[Speaker to Animals]

Once Upon a Time in the West is a good Leone movie. That one didnt have Eastwood. Its been awhile since I saw it.

Henry Fonda, Jason Robards, Charles Bronson, nuff said.

Leone worked for Hollywood, those weren't Italian movies, they were American movies shot in Italy.

Check first. Probably shot in spain.

All of the Spaghetti Westerns were shot in Spain. They were still Italian films. Predator was filmed in the Mexican rain forest. That doesn't make it a Mexican film.

Somebody ought to just make a movie about the making of Predator. That's a story in and of itself.

[Okeefenokee]

20th Century Fox; Hollywood.

IMDB says country of origin is UK. Makes sense since all but one of the actors were Euros.

American movie, shot in Ireland, although, it's not a great movie, Hollywood hasn't made the Saving Private Ryan version yet, so the bar is very low for WWI air war movies.

If Hollywood decided to put Spielberg on the case; whole new paradigm.

That's what Hollywood does with war movies, they change the paradigm, take it to a whole new level, and sweep aside everything that has come before, foreigners don't even think of making a Gallipoli or a Das Boot, until they see what Hollywood has done to change the paradigm.

I think Howard Hughes already made that movie.