What Is More to Blame (Looking Back)

[BjornP]

What is left and what is right should not change based on which country you are in or what year it is,

"Should not"? Doesn't matter if it "shouldn't" or not. It does.

It does not.

Aboslute Monarchy is on the far right, communism is on the far left

Yes.That's because absolute monarchy is considered so conservative it borders on reactionary , and Communism seeks the radical overthrow of all societies currently in existence. But in my country Liberalism is also on the right. There are social liberal progressive who fit on the left, but for the most part liberals here are neo-liberals or classical liberals, which are all on the right side of the spectrum here. They may not be in Anglo-America, but they are here. So what is left and right quite obviously changes based on which country you're in.

No it doesn't, you're political overton window is just in different place on the real left-right spectrum than other nations, that doesn't change what is left and right in your nation or in other nations accordingly.

Don't be obtuse, if Norweigan's don't know what left and right is, that isn't my problem. Call your sliding scale based on context something else other than left-right, it has nothing to do with the real left-right spectrum. Just because many Americans are dumb enough to think the Republicans are on the political right, that doesn't mean they are, most Americans are just retarded and don't know left from right either.

Just because many nations in the world have shifted to the left since the French Revolution doesn't mean what is left and right has changed, it means that many nations have shifted to the left. What's so hard to understand about that?
/shrugs

Lol, the "real left-right spectrum". See, I'm gonna go with what everyone in Denmark labels left and right wing, and not what some odd foreigner thinks is a universal, global standard. Simple truth about claiming something is universal: If it's not actually practised everywhere, it's not actually universal.

[ssu]

How would had the Catholic Church avoided the religious wars and so? Perhaps the best thing in my view would have been to nominate Martin Luther to be the chief Inquisitor of the Church. We might be all Catholics, except for some Mormons perhaps.

Likely outcome would have been the selling of indulgences would have been stopped earlier than it was now done.

[StCapps]

Lol, the "real left-right spectrum". See, I'm gonna go with what everyone in Denmark labels left and right wing, and not what some odd foreigner thinks is a universal, global standard. Simple truth about claiming something is universal: If it's not actually practised everywhere, it's not actually universal.

Argument ad populum. If everyone says it, it must be true, the masses are never wrong.

Or maybe most folks don't know what the fuck is left or right, whether they are in Denmark, Canada or America. Y'all just want to hijack left-right because you are too lazy to call your spectrum by another name when left-right was already taken. Bunch of lazy faggots, the lot of you.

[BjornP]

Lol, the "real left-right spectrum". See, I'm gonna go with what everyone in Denmark labels left and right wing, and not what some odd foreigner thinks is a universal, global standard. Simple truth about claiming something is universal: If it's not actually practised everywhere, it's not actually universal.

Argument ad populum. If everyone says it, it must be true, the masses are never wrong.

Or maybe most folks don't know what the fuck is left or right, whether they are in Denmark, Canada or America. Y'all just want to hijack left-right because you are too lazy to call your spectrum by another name when left-right was already taken. Bunch of lazy faggots, the lot of you.

I'd get a kick of you telling the leadership and members of the Danish Liberal party, or better yet, the Neo-Liberals in the Liberal Alliance that they're really on the left, Capps.

[StCapps]

I'd get a kick of you telling the leadership and members of the Danish Liberal party, or better yet, the Neo-Liberals in the Liberal Alliance that they're really on the left, Capps.

Your political parties are close to the political center, unless your liberals are calling for the end of your parliamentary constitutional monarchy, which last I checked they weren't. Denmark doesn't really have a left or a right that aren't fringe groups. America's overton window is to the left of Denmark's, not to the right. Your political parties don't have a clue where they are on the political spectrum, anymore than the Republicans claiming to be on the right have any idea where they are on the political spectrum.

[BjornP]

I'd get a kick of you telling the leadership and members of the Danish Liberal party, or better yet, the Neo-Liberals in the Liberal Alliance that they're really on the left, Capps.

Your political parties are close to center, unless your liberals are calling for the end of your parliamentary constitutional monarchy. Denmark doesn't really have a left or a right that aren't fringe groups.

Close to which center, Capps? Ours or yours? Some "objective", universal center?

The second-largest party in Danish politics is also the one that's furthest on the right. There are three political parties that are for republicanism: Two Socialist parties, and the Social Liberal party. The Social Democrats don't have an official position, leaving it up to its individual members to decide - most of the leadership praise the queen's job though, the Liberal party is for the monarchy, and the Neo-Liberal "Liberal Alliance" are also for the monarchy.

[StCapps]

Close to which center, Capps? Ours or yours? Some "objective", universal center?

The second-largest party in Danish politics is also the one that's furthest on the right. There are three political parties that are for republicanism: Two Socialist parties, and the Social Liberal party. The Social Democrats don't have an official position, leaving it up to its individual members to decide - most of the leadership praise the queen's job though, the Liberal party is for the monarchy, and the Neo-Liberal "Liberal Alliance" are also for the monarchy.

Universal center. The pro-republican parties would slightly left of center, the pro-monarchy parties would be in the center or slightly to the right. You Danes are in the center, what you consider to be left and right only slightly deviates from that. The Danish left isn't far left at all, and the danish right isn't far right either.

[BjornP]

Ah yes, the "universal center"... that somehow isn't universally adhered to or believed in. Funny sort of universalism, ain't it?

[Speaker to Animals]

The left-right spectrum is total bullshit. Always has been.

If you are going to use it, the only thing that makes sense is that what we call the "left" is a counter-civilizational force, and everything that is not trying to erode civilization is the "right", which is a pretty big group of ideologies and opinions.

In truth, there exists no spectrum of ideas. The difference between Fife and Nukedog is not a matter of degree of "right wingness". They hold completely different values and policy opinions.

I wish to God we could just abandon this stupid idea of political spectrums.

[Speaker to Animals]

The most common quip I see is that people will fixate on some concept, such as collectivism, and use that as some metric to connect the dots when it really makes no sense. So they will try to connect the kind of attitudes of the alt-right with other collectivists, etc. But just because two different political groups share some attribute it doesn't follow that they have some resemblance in kind.

Chocolate cake and sweet tea both contain sugar as an ingredient. Sweet Tea is not to the left or right of chocolate cake. These are two completely different things that happen to share in ingredient.