Why Family Values Are Economic Values

[Speaker to Animals]

You stop rewarding the bad behavior to start with..

And in doing so, abandon good people to starve. Even if that doesn't bother you morally, it's no recipe for stability.

Negative.

You have to change how you deal with those issues. Instead of putting cash in the hands of single mothers, you help the kids directly. You provide them with food and clothing through the school if you have to. You abolish child support, alimony, and EBT cards for these women in favor of job training and subsidized day care.

They should NEVER be directly rewarded for spreading their legs and popping out a baby, or for blowing up marriages and alienating fathers from children. This bullshit has to stop.

We can still help people without tossing dynamite sticks on a gasoline fire.

[SuburbanFarmer]

You stop rewarding the bad behavior to start with..

And in doing so, abandon good people to starve. Even if that doesn't bother you morally, it's no recipe for stability.

Negative.

You have to change how you deal with those issues. Instead of putting cash in the hands of single mothers, you help the kids directly. You provide them with food and clothing through the school if you have to. You abolish child support, alimony, and EBT cards for these women in favor of job training and subsidized day care.

They should NEVER be directly rewarded for spreading their legs and popping out a baby, or for blowing up marriages and alienating fathers from children. This bullshit has to stop.

We can still help people without tossing dynamite sticks on a gasoline fire.

How does it help a kid to have their only parent gone 40+ hrs a week? I'd rather know that they're being cared for.

[Speaker to Animals]

And in doing so, abandon good people to starve. Even if that doesn't bother you morally, it's no recipe for stability.

Negative.

You have to change how you deal with those issues. Instead of putting cash in the hands of single mothers, you help the kids directly. You provide them with food and clothing through the school if you have to. You abolish child support, alimony, and EBT cards for these women in favor of job training and subsidized day care.

They should NEVER be directly rewarded for spreading their legs and popping out a baby, or for blowing up marriages and alienating fathers from children. This bullshit has to stop.

We can still help people without tossing dynamite sticks on a gasoline fire.

How does it help a kid to have their only parent gone 40+ hrs a week? I'd rather know that they're being cared for.

OMFG

You want to pay women to stay home with the kids they pop out without a second thought?

Fuck this conversation.

[Speaker to Animals]

Fuck. I shouldn't even bother. But..

I know more than a few single mothers. Do you know what they need most of all? Fucking day care. That's what they need. The all want to work but they are trapped in part-time jobs and trying to find people to watch their kids for them. If they had day care, they wouldn't need all this other shit.

I don't know why this has to be spelled out for people. But if you want to really help these women, then let's start talking about day care, pre-school, and after school programs. Those three things solve the fucking problem.

If they don't solve the problem, then all likelihood, the kids need to be with dad.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Negative.

You have to change how you deal with those issues. Instead of putting cash in the hands of single mothers, you help the kids directly. You provide them with food and clothing through the school if you have to. You abolish child support, alimony, and EBT cards for these women in favor of job training and subsidized day care.

They should NEVER be directly rewarded for spreading their legs and popping out a baby, or for blowing up marriages and alienating fathers from children. This bullshit has to stop.

We can still help people without tossing dynamite sticks on a gasoline fire.

How does it help a kid to have their only parent gone 40+ hrs a week? I'd rather know that they're being cared for.

OMFG

You want to pay women to stay home with the kids they pop out without a second thought?

Fuck this conversation.

Look, I understand the concept of moral hazard. But that is like shooting your self in the leg for VA benefits. It's not worth it, and yes, there might be some cases, but the vast majority do not follow your twisted fantasy of starvation welfare being a goal.

[Speaker to Animals]

1. You don't get VA benefits for shooting yourself in the leg. You get a dishonorable discharge.

2. You get more of what you subsidize, pal. That's why the majority households of your generation are single mothers. We've been fueling this cancer with perverse incentives for about fifty years now.

3. The vast majority of these women need only day care and after-school programs. That's really all they need. I defy you to present a credible argument as to why the majority of these women should get anything more than that, or why those who do need more than that should have full custody of those children.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Fuck. I shouldn't even bother. But..

I know more than a few single mothers. Do you know what they need most of all? Fucking day care. That's what they need. The all want to work but they are trapped in part-time jobs and trying to find people to watch their kids for them. If they had day care, they wouldn't need all this other shit.

I don't know why this has to be spelled out for people. But if you want to really help these women, then let's start talking about day care, pre-school, and after school programs. Those three things solve the fucking problem.

If they don't solve the problem, then all likelihood, the kids need to be with dad.

Why, because he can afford more daycare?

I agree that daycare is absurdly expensive. But I'm not sticking my kid in a state-run daycare facility. Might as well make him an altar boy.

[SuburbanFarmer]

1. You don't get VA benefits for shooting yourself in the leg. You get a dishonorable discharge.

2. You get more of what you subsidize, pal. That's why the majority households of your generation are single mothers. We've been fueling this cancer with perverse incentives for about fifty years now.

Agreed. However, I have yet to hear a viable alternative other than completely cutting them off, or condemning them to meaningless make-work while the kids sit abandoned.

[heydaralon]

Fuck. I shouldn't even bother. But..

I know more than a few single mothers. Do you know what they need most of all? Fucking day care. That's what they need. The all want to work but they are trapped in part-time jobs and trying to find people to watch their kids for them. If they had day care, they wouldn't need all this other shit.

I don't know why this has to be spelled out for people. But if you want to really help these women, then let's start talking about day care, pre-school, and after school programs. Those three things solve the fucking problem.

If they don't solve the problem, then all likelihood, the kids need to be with dad.

It is interesting because this seems to be the first time in history that a huge amount of the civilized world was raised without a male figure. Sure, in the past single mothers may have raised children when their husbands were killed in a war, but as far as I know the amount of absentee fathers in developed countries during peacetime is unprecedented. Statistically, being raised without a dad is one of the biggest correlations to a slew of social problems later in life.

[Speaker to Animals]

Fuck. I shouldn't even bother. But..

I know more than a few single mothers. Do you know what they need most of all? Fucking day care. That's what they need. The all want to work but they are trapped in part-time jobs and trying to find people to watch their kids for them. If they had day care, they wouldn't need all this other shit.

I don't know why this has to be spelled out for people. But if you want to really help these women, then let's start talking about day care, pre-school, and after school programs. Those three things solve the fucking problem.

If they don't solve the problem, then all likelihood, the kids need to be with dad.

Why, because he can afford more daycare?

I agree that daycare is absurdly expensive. But I'm not sticking my kid in a state-run daycare facility. Might as well make him an altar boy.

These kids are already pretty well fucked. They are the kids of single mothers. There exists no other demographic factor that will fuck your life up worse than being raised by a single mother. Not even being black comes close when you untangle the data (most of the blacks burning cities down are the products of single mothers).

Single motherhood is probably the biggest social cancer our society faces today. It's a huge problem. We need to stop funding it.