Trump's Five Million

[TheReal_ND]

Well it's not like weaponized autism hasn't blown up in their face then

[Ex-California]

I'm just really surprised that considering the attitudes of most people here that you think the government could get this right. I mean, what have they gotten right in the last hundred years?

Apollo program, interstate highway system, and national parks.

Good point. I guess we also saved Europe twice

[Ex-California]

I'm just really surprised that considering the attitudes of most people here that you think the government could get this right. I mean, what have they gotten right in the last hundred years?

thuh govment

You're sitting in a state that allows home invaders to sue home owners for injuries incurred during the execution of a felony home invasion.

And you think I should concern myself with what you think ought to be legal?

Where I live, and where I'm from, we have the castle doctrine. So yeah, I have a little more faith in my state government to get some things right than I do in yours. You want north mexico to be mexican? Fine. Be mexico. Have fun.

I'm gonna chill here in the state that is sucking up all your jobs and vote for laws that keep us as far as possible from the shithole you live in. You can go on as long as you like about how the gubment caint get nothin right. Any feasible voter restriction that might be passed anywhere will limit the number of people casting their votes alongside mine who would be likely to fall for the sort of horseshit ideologies that have turned california into a hemorrhage of capital.

Well then you should understand why I have zero trust in the Federal government and even less trust in my state government. I've turned the corner here recently to realize that government can rarely get anything right and only exists to steal money from you. Pardon me for thinking that they would fuck up IDs just like they fuck everything else up.

I'm not holding some vote plantation ideals on why I think that IDs shouldn't be required to vote. Make us show ID now? Fine, you all have convinced me that it isn't a poll tax, it isn't discriminatory, and isn't a hindrance to vote. It actually makes sense. Lets get rid of vote by mail and early voting while we're at it, as those are even more apt to be abused

That being said, I actually believe in the bullshit that the Founders have blown up our asses about equality for all. Equality for all equals universal suffrage. Make an active-passive citizen distinction, and the country instantly has a rallying point for destabilization. Whether these people are apathetic or even vote doesn't matter; agitators will attack that distinction right away and your idea of keeping the dummies from voting turns into the dummies burning cities down.

Beyond all of that, this thread is talking about a national ID which on the surface is icky because of the abuse that the Federal government could reap from the ID. From more fees to restrictions on freedom of movement this ID could be a slippery slope towards more despotism.

[Ex-California]

Don't neglect little things like eradicating polio and small pox from the United States.

Idiot mommy bloggers in limousine liberal enclaves are doing their best to bring that back.

Yay feminism

[KerningChameleon]

Beyond all of that, this thread is talking about a national ID which on the surface is icky because of the abuse that the Federal government could reap from the ID. From more fees to restrictions on freedom of movement this ID could be a slippery slope towards more despotism.

Do you have a credit card? A debit card? Have you ever used them to pay for anything at all? A loyalty card to that great little BBQ place (admittedly, I have no idea if such a thing exists on the west coast, but whatever)? Have you ever answered a survey? Do you use a smartphone of any kind, even if its just a condition for your job? Do you have a Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn account? Does any member of your family within two generations of you have one? Has any of your friends, family or coworkers ever taken a picture of you with their smartphone?

News flash, there already exists a comprehensive profile of you in just about every Big Data corporation that exists. The private sector already knows you better than you do, and will sell that information to anyone who asks, including the state and federal governments. Especially the governments.

GOP Data Firm Accidentally Leaks Personal Details of Nearly 200 Million American Voters

Political data gathered on more than 198 million US citizens was exposed this month after a marketing firm contracted by the Republican National Committee stored internal documents on a publicly accessible Amazon server.

The data leak contains a wealth of personal information on roughly 61 percent of the US population. Along with home addresses, birthdates, and phone numbers, the records include advanced sentiment analyses used by political groups to predict where individual voters fall on hot-button issues such as gun ownership, stem cell research, and the right to abortion, as well as suspected religious affiliation and ethnicity. The data was amassed from a variety of sources—from the banned subreddit r/fatpeoplehate to American Crossroads, the super PAC co-founded by former White House strategist Karl Rove.

Deep Root Analytics, a conservative data firm that identifies audiences for political ads, confirmed ownership of the data to Gizmodo on Friday.

UpGuard cyber risk analyst Chris Vickery discovered Deep Root’s data online last week. More than a terabyte was stored on the cloud server without the protection of a password and could be accessed by anyone who found the URL. Many of the files did not originate at Deep Root, but are instead the aggregate of outside data firms and Republican super PACs, shedding light onto the increasingly advanced data ecosystem that helped propel President Donald Trump’s slim margins in key swing states.

Your name, your birth date, your SSN. Those three things alone are all that's needed to find out your comprehensive financial history. Two of them are a matter of public record, and you've surrendered the third to any bank, loan company, car dealer, or employer who's asked. You have already been assigned a myriad shadows IDs, I don't see what one more public, verifiable, and (in theory) able to be held accountable to public officials ID number would hurt or change that.

[Ex-California]

Beyond all of that, this thread is talking about a national ID which on the surface is icky because of the abuse that the Federal government could reap from the ID. From more fees to restrictions on freedom of movement this ID could be a slippery slope towards more despotism.

Do you have a credit card? A debit card? Have you ever used them to pay for anything at all? A loyalty card to that great little BBQ place (admittedly, I have no idea if such a thing exists on the west coast, but whatever)? Have you ever answered a survey? Do you use a smartphone of any kind, even if its just a condition for your job? Do you have a Facebook, Twitter, or LinkedIn account? Does any member of your family within two generations of you have one? Has any of your friends, family or coworkers ever taken a picture of you with their smartphone?

News flash, there already exists a comprehensive profile of you in just about every Big Data corporation that exists. The private sector already knows you better than you do, and will sell that information to anyone who asks, including the state and federal governments. Especially the governments.

GOP Data Firm Accidentally Leaks Personal Details of Nearly 200 Million American Voters

Political data gathered on more than 198 million US citizens was exposed this month after a marketing firm contracted by the Republican National Committee stored internal documents on a publicly accessible Amazon server.

The data leak contains a wealth of personal information on roughly 61 percent of the US population. Along with home addresses, birthdates, and phone numbers, the records include advanced sentiment analyses used by political groups to predict where individual voters fall on hot-button issues such as gun ownership, stem cell research, and the right to abortion, as well as suspected religious affiliation and ethnicity. The data was amassed from a variety of sources—from the banned subreddit r/fatpeoplehate to American Crossroads, the super PAC co-founded by former White House strategist Karl Rove.

Deep Root Analytics, a conservative data firm that identifies audiences for political ads, confirmed ownership of the data to Gizmodo on Friday.

UpGuard cyber risk analyst Chris Vickery discovered Deep Root’s data online last week. More than a terabyte was stored on the cloud server without the protection of a password and could be accessed by anyone who found the URL. Many of the files did not originate at Deep Root, but are instead the aggregate of outside data firms and Republican super PACs, shedding light onto the increasingly advanced data ecosystem that helped propel President Donald Trump’s slim margins in key swing states.

Your name, your birth date, your SSN. Those three things alone are all that's needed to find out your comprehensive financial history. Two of them are a matter of public record, and you've surrendered the third to any bank, loan company, car dealer, or employer who's asked. You have already been assigned a myriad shadows IDs, I don't see what one more public, verifiable, and (in theory) able to be held accountable to public officials ID number would hurt or change that.

I'm not worried about that, any idiot knows that there is a huge data profile on everyone. I'm worried about the government using the violence of the state to stop people from going places without their IDs; for arresting/fining people for not carrying their ID; charging hundreds of dollars to possess the ID, etc.

All of these happen in one way or another now, and all are abused. You don't HAVE to have your ID to fly, but if you show up without one you better believe you're going to get the 10th degree to get on your flight. You don't HAVE to carry an ID, but watch what happens when you deny showing one to a cop. A passport costs upwards of $100, a state ID/driver's license costs $15-35 and a whole day wasted at the DMV

I'm not trying to be some off-the-grider here, I'm just pointing out the massive potential for abuse

[Okeefenokee]

the whole thing about the government not being able to do anything doesn't hold up.

look out the window. it ain't somalia out there.

not perfect is not the same as useless.

and the matter being discussed also matters. if we're talking about the death penalty, you have more weight than if we're talking about traffic laws. the consequences of an imperfect government getting it wrong on the death penalty are different than getting it wrong on rolling through a stop sign.

voting is a lot closer to the stop sign than the death penalty. there's not much weight in the argument that the imperfect government cant be trusted to manage voting, so we'll just have to let it be a free for all. we don't do that with stop signs, nor the death penalty, and it makes no sense to argue that we have to take that approach to voting.

If you want to be doctor, you have to go to med school. Judging from the t.v. shows I've seen, it takes about twenty five years to finish. You have to be licensed as well.

Practicing law is similar. Gotta go to school, and pass the Bar, but I think you can do that through the mail.

Becoming an engineer requires four years of school, and passing the FE just to get in at entry level.

But weighing in on the course of your community, state and nation can carry no qualifications? Sorry. We've already accepted that actions of consequence can carry requirements for qualification.

You can argue that you don't think there should be qualifications for this or that, but to say that the idea of qualifications itself is invalid is nonsense.

[The Conservative]

the whole thing about the government not being able to do anything doesn't hold up.

look out the window. it ain't somalia out there.

not perfect is not the same as useless.

You sure?

[Okeefenokee]

the whole thing about the government not being able to do anything doesn't hold up.

look out the window. it ain't somalia out there.

not perfect is not the same as useless.

You sure?

that ain't my state.

el paso,


juarez,

[SuburbanFarmer]

that ain't my state.

el paso,

Goddamn communists taking over the Great State of Texas. What the fuck are those shiny plates on their roofs, bird burners??