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[StCapps]

Any country has a really hard time not being "boned" by such "luck."

Any centrally planned economy, all your examples prove my point that this kind of economy is extra prone to being "boned" by such "luck".

[jbird4049]

Any country has a really hard time not being "boned" by such "luck."

Any centrally planned economy, all your examples prove my point that this kind of economy is extra prone to being "boned" by such "luck".

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Okeefenokee]

Any country has a really hard time not being "boned" by such "luck."

Any centrally planned economy, all your examples prove my point that this kind of economy is extra prone to being "boned" by such "luck".

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

While you're being agreeable, present an example of a centrally planned economy that didn't fail.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Any centrally planned economy, all your examples prove my point that this kind of economy is extra prone to being "boned" by such "luck".

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

While you're being agreeable, present an example of a centrally planned economy that didn't fail.

I think China is still heavily planned. They are building empty cities in the hopes that their centrally planned tech boom will fill them out. You can make private profit in China, but, as far as I know, a lot of the newly minted billionaires they are producing got there by being awarded state contracts. Media, development, trade, et cetera... much of that still comes from the state.

I am not an expert though, and we have yet to see if that will collapse, succeed, evolve into something less planned, whatever. But, I would add that economies fail irrespective of their design, or lack there of. Point me to a totally free market anywhere in the world, ever, before crowing too much about the failures of command economies, because, by my count, command economies have lasted longer than any totally free market by passing the very basic bar of ever existing in the first place.

[StCapps]

Just because no economic system is perfect does not mean that some systems are not better than others. Heavily centrally planned economies are not one of the better options.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Just because no economic system is perfect does not mean that some systems are not better than others. Heavily centrally planned economies are not one of the better options.

All the most robust economies I can think of are, to one extent or another, hybrids of free markets and central planning. Purely free markets might be better, but no one has had the guts to really try one in a modern nation state... to my knowledge.

Also, not for nothing, but we (the US) have a long history of propping up military dictators in regions that get a little too lefty in order to ensure they aren't successful. Now, they probably wouldn't have been all that hot to trot in any case, but they aren't collapsing in a vacuum either.

[Martin Hash]

Programmer here:
No Top Down approach can ever manage a complex system, too many variables to predict the outcome. The only solution is a stochastic one: set up initial rules & run simulation. If undesired terminal state approaches, adjust ruleset. Continue adjustments until stable.

[Zlaxer]

Programmer here:
No Top Down approach can ever manage a complex system, too many variables to predict the outcome. The only solution is a stochastic one: set up initial rules & run simulation. If undesired terminal state approaches, adjust ruleset. Continue adjustments until stable.

Boids

[Martin Hash]

Programmer here:
No Top Down approach can ever manage a complex system, too many variables to predict the outcome. The only solution is a stochastic one: set up initial rules & run simulation. If undesired terminal state approaches, adjust ruleset. Continue adjustments until stable.

Boids

(You've read my stuff before.)

[StCapps]

All the most robust economies I can think of are, to one extent or another, hybrids of free markets and central planning. Purely free markets might be better, but no one has had the guts to really try one in a modern nation state... to my knowledge.

Some central planning is not heavy central planning. Most robust economies go light on central planning and most shitty economies go heavy on central planning. No economy has ever been 100% centrally planned anyway, so bringing up the myth of a perfect free market is about as silly as bringing up the myth of entirely government run utopia.

Also, not for nothing, but we (the US) have a long history of propping up military dictators in regions that get a little too lefty in order to ensure they aren't successful. Now, they probably wouldn't have been all that hot to trot in any case, but they aren't collapsing in a vacuum either.

Typical lefty, blaming America for failures of terribly run economies because America doesn't like them and didn't give them an extra sweet deal. You sound like a Communist apologist, the failure of every communist regime is the fault of the western capitalists exploiting them to these folks, and the many failures of socialist economics seem to be excused in the exact same manner by you. It's always oppressor vs oppressed with these folks, that dynamic explains everything to them.