Women's March

[Okeefenokee]

Thought experiment:

There is a major natural disaster in one of the 10 highest electoral vote states. Half of that state's population moves to other states. Should the electoral votes be rebalanced? Why, or why not.

How are electoral votes calculated now?

I think he means if the population change happened about six months before an election. Should there be an impromptu census and redistricting?

[The Conservative]

They aren't protesting a specific government action, like a new war or law. They are protesting Donald Trump, the electoral system that made it possible for his victory, and the people who thought that his words, actions, and opinions weren't disqualifying. Their message is "this is not ok, we have a problem".

I doubt I agree with them on much, but I think the electoral process is quite shitty as well. I would hope if Clinton had won, there would be millions of conservatives willing to march and say the same.

I am please to know that millions of Americans can still get their asses out on the street for some political activity. Better that, than if all of them just sat at their computers and tweeted #ThisSucks.

The Electoral did exactly what it was meant to... to keep the minority of states to control what the majority wanted.

Instead it let a minority of the population control what the majority wanted. My preferred candidate won, but its on a technicality. There's no way I will ever support a disenfranchising joke like the Electoral College

Do you realize what you are saying? Look at the Electoral map... see how few states the Democrats actually have to carry to get the popular vote....

Here is a hint, California was the only state that mattered... without California, Clinton would have lost the popular vote hands down.

[The Conservative]

1 electoral vote per state.

Stop the bullshit. A candidate would have to campaign for the entire country.

Why even do that? Get rid of another layer and go 1 citizen = 1 vote

We already have that... that is what makes this country work.

[Xenophon]

1 electoral vote per state.

Stop the bullshit. A candidate would have to campaign for the entire country.

Why even do that? Get rid of another layer and go 1 citizen = 1 vote

We already have that... that is what makes this country work.

He's advocating direct democracy, low-info-populist balderdash.

[The Conservative]

It seems you're willfully blind to the fact that there are competing interests between rural and urban areas. Are the rural areas not deserving of equal representation?

Exactly.

The way my civics instructor explained it seems to have held true for my lifetime. Without the left, we'd never move forward. Without the right, we'd make changes way too fast, and instability would rule the country.

We need a little of each.

That's also why the house has to get re-elected after 2 years but the senate gets a six year term. House is more fickle; senate is more stable.

Balance.

There is a difference between having a little of each, and what is going on... one side can't believe they lost, and are acting like my 17 month old son when he doesn't get his way. He cries and throws things... granted my son actually apologizes after the fact... so he is better in that way...

When we have special snowflakes that can't take a loss because they have been told that "everyone is a winner", that needs to change.

[The Conservative]

Why even do that? Get rid of another layer and go 1 citizen = 1 vote

We already have that... that is what makes this country work.

He's advocating direct democracy, low-info-populist balderdash.

That's why we live in a "Democratic Republic"... in theory.

[Ex-California]

The States can't leave. Even if Texas or California voted to secede the Federal government would not allow it. I'm being pragmatic here.

Every other large country in the world runs just fine as one large entity. If we would have continued this "group of tiny countries" bullshit throughout the late 19th and 20th Century the US would have never turned into the global hegemony that it is today. The power of the United States lies in the Federal government, and any thought that it is still a bunch of balkanized countries is balderdash.

And what state would the country be run like? It would be run like the United States is now. Not CA, not TX, not NY. No one would even notice to tell you the truth

Sounds like Californians don't really have much of an identity. Stop trying to force that on the rest of us.

We do



Seriously though, we have such a large and diverse state (and by diversity I mean geographic and economic as well as cultural) that it is easier to look at an identity as something part of a larger whole. Or some shit

[Zlaxer]

@California - Sorry man - you're a Zombie economy.....you just haven't realized it yet. The middle class is stumbling over themselves to get out....you're only importing residents who will drain your state's tax revenues....its just a matter of time. "Blah...blah....We're the world's 5th biggest economy...blah blah blah....." The trend is what matters....and you're trend is not good...sure the 0.1% techies are making $$$$....but what's happening to the middle?

[Speaker to Animals]

@California - Sorry man - you're a Zombie economy.....you just haven't realized it yet. The middle class is stumbling over themselves to get out....you're only importing residents who will drain your state's tax revenues....its just a matter of time. "Blah...blah....We're the world's 5th biggest economy...blah blah blah....." The trend is what matters....and you're trend is not good...sure the 0.1% techies are making $$$$....but what's happening to the middle?

The last time I confronted them with this information they got pretty hostile. Californians don't want to hear it. They have to learn the hard way.

[Okeefenokee]

@California - Sorry man - you're a Zombie economy.....you just haven't realized it yet. The middle class is stumbling over themselves to get out....you're only importing residents who will drain your state's tax revenues....its just a matter of time. "Blah...blah....We're the world's 5th biggest economy...blah blah blah....." The trend is what matters....and you're trend is not good...sure the 0.1% techies are making $$$$....but what's happening to the middle?

They're all moving to the south, mostly to Texas. It's only the tech industry that's still alive, but that won't last. Austin and San Antonio will probably replace Silicon Valley. Texas is already dealing with this, passing laws banning cities from passing laws that violate state laws. Buncha transplants from hippie nation coming to the south and trying to set up little hippie fiefdoms. Got to put the kibosh on that.