The Right and the Left need each other - debate

[Smitty-48]

I propose that we allow healthy conflict and vigorous debate. The thrill of battle in each thread is what we are all here for! But let us also identify common enemies where we band together. Let us see each other as brothers in arms as well as sparring mates!

Let's not tear each other apart any more than is healthy for us.

Let's fight for our nations together and let us fight for the world.

Who's with me!!

'Ere, lads, wot's this?

Looks like we got an undercover hack trying to infiltrate the lines... fetch the rope...

WAIT!

Let's waterboard him first, find out what he knows...

...then fetch the rope.

[Smitty-48]

[SuburbanFarmer]

[apeman]

Left and right is anything but black and white...

Well yes, but in a practical sense, we have winners and losers. When it comes to voting, I do things like vote third party, continuously locking in my now-permanent losing position. I have not yet even played a role in helping gain a third party the minimum threshold to get the federal funding, I am pissing in the ocean.

Look at the hordes on social media passing around petitions to stop Trump for doing this-or-that. It doesn't matter, they are mistaken that the winners give a fuck, right?

I don't like it either, but maybe I should be voting for a major party candidate that I don't like or trust next time around. I dunno.

Let's not tear each other apart any more than is healthy for us.

Let's fight for our nations together and let us fight for the world.

I used to say stuff like this, and still would like believe in it, but does this comport with reality in any way? Sincere question.

What does this look like in practice?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Left and right is anything but black and white...

Well yes, but in a practical sense, we have winners and losers. When it comes to voting, I do things like vote third party, continuously locking in my now-permanent losing position. I have not yet even played a role in helping gain a third party the minimum threshold to get the federal funding, I am pissing in the ocean.

Look at the hordes on social media passing around petitions to stop Trump for doing this-or-that. It doesn't matter, they are mistaken that the winners give a fuck, right?

I don't like it either, but maybe I should be voting for a major party candidate that I don't like or trust next time around. I dunno.

There is much truth here. I'm also a perpetual 'third-party loser', but I'll not consider changing that stance.

Let's not tear each other apart any more than is healthy for us.

Let's fight for our nations together and let us fight for the world.

I used to say stuff like this, and still would like believe in it, but does this comport with reality in any way? Sincere question.

What does this look like in practice?

It was SOP, up until GWB and 9/11 destroyed our national identity. We are no longer the nation that we used to be.

Somehow, I think that electing Macho Camacho to the presidency will not fix that.

[Montegriffo]

I feel a big post coming on here...

This thread is coming from somewhere deep for me.
It's really about this forum... and it's about Dan Carlin and what he has been trying to achieve.
It's about what happened to the former DCF and what's happening to the USA and in some ways the rest of the world.

What I want the MHF to be is a life raft.... but more than that a seed that grows.
I want this place to allow the left and right to cooperate rather than tear each other to shreds.
Dan and I believe that there is common ground.
That the left and right may differ in their values, but that many problems impact the left and right equally and that compromise and shared solutions are the answer.

Here on the MHF we have long time posters on the left and the right... but we have bridged the gap of mutual respect in a lot of cases.
That being said, I can't help but think that what happened on the DCF is that our differences led to a meltdown that brought the place down.
Obviously we can all see in retrospect that we lost something precious.
We don't want that happening to this place and we don't want that happening to the USA or anywhere else.

The right can teach us about strength. It is in on the side of power. Power is not a bad thing. It protects the engine of the nation and majority culture from decay. The weak should not defeat the strong, they should only hold them accountable. The right protects the state and the culture from unnecesarry revolution. It is a counterrevolutionary principle, holding back the chaos of endless self editing and self destruction that the left can bring if unchecked.

The left can teach us about compassion. It is on the side of the potentially downtrodden. It protects the "losers" in a society. The strong should not completely oppress the weak. However the weak in a society must not drag the entire society down with them. They should not overthrow the strong and cannibalize them. They depend on the strong. The weak are a societies continuous source of renewal and the bedrock of humility and empathy. They understand what the "losers" in a society understand... how bad it can get. The strong can lose touch in their gated communities. The left holds the strong accountable.

Therefore I propose that the right and the left need each other. The left might call the right all sorts of names - like "privileged" or assholes or racists... But the left needs the right. The right might call the left "pussies", SJWs, betas or cucks, but the right needs the left. That all being said there are differences in values and how to get from point a to point b and each side has the potential to dominate in an unhealthy way.

I propose that we allow healthy conflict and vigorous debate. The thrill of battle in each thread is what we are all here for! But let us also identify common enemies where we band together. Let us see each other as brothers in arms as well as sparring mates!

Let's not tear each other apart any more than is healthy for us.

Let's fight for our nations together and let us fight for the world.

Who's with me!!

I'm with you 100% comrade. I really try hard to be pragmatic and understand the policies rather than judge the source. I know I can veer to the left when it comes to matters of social reform and empathy for the struggles of others but I definitely veer to the right when it comes to matters of fiscal control and foreign policy.
:goteam:

[DrYouth]

Somehow, I think that electing Macho Camacho to the presidency will not fix that.

The truth from where I'm sitting is that Trump is not the problem.

Sure he played every possible trick in the book to pull the right of the spectrum towards him...
But his actual intentions seem to be centrist.
Probably more unifying than any candidate in recent history in practice.

What he did was inflame the masses on the campaign trail...
Was that irresponsible... maybe.

But from the moment he has taken the podium of power he has been a unifier.

I'm far from giving a verdict on The Donald... but I am giving him a chance... and that is the responsibility of everyone who purports to accept the democratic process... (The Donald himself was wishy washy on that)

[DrYouth]

I'm with you 100% comrade. I really try hard to be pragmatic and understand the policies rather than judge the source. I know I can veer to the left when it comes to matters of social reform and empathy for the struggles of others but I definitely veer to the right when it comes to matters of fiscal control and foreign policy.
:goteam:

You and I go bravely forward brothers in arms...

[meanwhile mayhem breaks out on all sides]
[dodge axes and grapeshot]

[Montegriffo]

I'm with you 100% comrade. I really try hard to be pragmatic and understand the policies rather than judge the source. I know I can veer to the left when it comes to matters of social reform and empathy for the struggles of others but I definitely veer to the right when it comes to matters of fiscal control and foreign policy.
:goteam:

You and I go bravely forward brothers in arms...

[meanwhile mayhem breaks out on all sides]
[dodge axes and grapeshot]

God save thee Queen. Three cheers for the commonwealth hip hip hooray, hip ...............

[MilSpecs]

I listened to it on my way home from work, thank you. I want to listen to it again before I comment.