THE ERA OF TRUMP

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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:14 pm

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StCapps wrote:Why didn't Trump release his taxes during the campaign? Maybe because if he did the media's reaction would have been the same as Penner's, unless he released all of them and then they would have nitpicked the shit out of them at a time Trump wanted to talk about things that helped him a whole lot more than when the subject is on his tax returns, which the electorate never cared about anyway.
A lot of the electorate does, in fact, care about that. Even if it's meaningless, it shows an openness to investigation, and serves as a 'poor man's check on corruption'.

Releasing a single tax return from 10 years ago, after being elected is just a slap in the face to anyone concerned with corruption. But then, so is the rest of our government.
If they cared about to any real degree they would have elected Clinton and the tax returns would have been a much bigger story than it was, but clearly they didn't care. You are projecting your own concern about Trump's tax returns on the electorate, they never gave a shit.

Well, perhaps if he did, he would have won the popular vote. An election isn't a total validation of everything about the winning candidate. That kind of thinking is childish at best.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by C-Mag » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:17 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
StCapps wrote:Why didn't Trump release his taxes during the campaign? Maybe because if he did the media's reaction would have been the same as Penner's, unless he released all of them and then they would have nitpicked the shit out of them at a time Trump wanted to talk about things that helped him a whole lot more than when the subject is on his tax returns, which the electorate never cared about anyway.
A lot of the electorate does, in fact, care about that. Even if it's meaningless, it shows an openness to investigation, and serves as a 'poor man's check on corruption'.

Releasing a single tax return from 10 years ago, after being elected is just a slap in the face to anyone concerned with corruption. But then, so is the rest of our government.

Well, Maddow shot the Left's wad on this story. It's done now. The general public had been primed for 2 years and maybe some personal suspicions on a Billionaires taxes. They walked away last night with the impression that he pays a hell of a lot of taxes and there is nothing to the accusations.

On another point.
On the air last night Maddow and her expert had to admit that they may have been worked by Trump. That Trump may have in fact leaked the documents and that they gobbled them up and ran with it. F*cking idiots.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:17 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Well, perhaps if he did, he would have won the popular vote. An election isn't a total validation of everything about the winning candidate. That kind of thinking is childish at best.
It never became a big story, if people cared it would have at least gone that far, and it never did, it was only the top headline for two days or so and that was when tax returns got leaked, it wasn't because people were pissed that he was refusing to release his returns. You are assuming that not releasing the returns hurt him because you have an issue with it and you think the electorate shares that view. Even if it did hurt him a little bit, it didn't hurt him to the degree you are imagining, and releasing the tax returns and fucking up the roll out would have hurt him even more, just ask Mitt Romney.

So why risk that? Not releasing the returns was the safest play politically from Trump's end if your goal is to get elected. Playing the "audit" card and claiming paying less taxes make you smarter when they get leaked was a damn smart play, especially in hindsight. Mitt Romney is kicking himself right now, not that not fucking up on his tax returns would have gotten him elected over BHO or anything, but it certainly would have helped to not fuck up so badly on that tip during the 2012 campaign.

Trump learned from Romney's mistakes, though a lot of his detractors sure wish that he hadn't. Harry Reid took another crack at it, emboldened by his earlier success grandstanding about Mitt's tax returns, but this time Trump was ready for it.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:32 pm

StCapps wrote:
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Well, perhaps if he did, he would have won the popular vote. An election isn't a total validation of everything about the winning candidate. That kind of thinking is childish at best.
It never became a big story, if people cared it would have at least gone that far, and it never did, it was only the top headline for two days or so and that was when tax returns got leaked, it wasn't because people were pissed that he was refusing to release his returns. You are assuming that not releasing the returns hurt him because you have an issue with it and you think the electorate shares that view. Even if it did hurt him a little bit, it didn't hurt him to the degree you are imagining, and releasing the tax returns and fucking up the roll out would have hurt him even more, just ask Mitt Romney.

So why risk that? Not releasing the returns was the safest play politically from Trump's end if your goal is to get elected. Playing the "audit" card and claiming paying less taxes make you smarter when they get leaked was a damn smart play, especially in hindsight. Mitt Romney is kicking himself right now, not that not fucking up on his tax returns would have gotten him elected over BHO or anything, but it certainly would have helped to not fuck up so badly on that tip during the 2012 campaign. Trump learned from Romney's mistakes, though a lot of his detractors sure wish that he hadn't.
Well, I am part of the electorate, and I don't think for a moment that I'm a unique snowflake among 300,000,000 others, so yeah.. it was a concern of the electorate. Not a critical issue, but an issue.

Somehow, every major politician for 50 years has managed to "roll out" their taxes without a problem. How that became a unique issue for this guy is beyond me.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by StCapps » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:33 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:Well, I am part of the electorate, and I don't think for a moment that I'm a unique snowflake among 300,000,000 others, so yeah.. it was a concern of the electorate. Not a critical issue, but an issue.
You are political misfit, the electorate does not share all your views, not even close. You are a special snowflake projecting on the electorate, sorry dude but the populace is not on your side on this one, if they were the tax returns would have been a huge story and not a footnote in the campaign. Just because a bunch of political misfits talked about it a bunch on the DCF doesn't mean that the electorate gave a shit to the same degree, the forum members of the DCF and MHF are not representative of the electorates views on most matters, and this topic is no different.

One reason I come here is because you get different views from Americans here than you do elsewhere, so assuming that the views of folks around these parts reflect the views of the American electorate on average is usually not a safe assumption, in fact most of the time you'd be better off assuming the exact opposite.
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by DrYouth » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:45 pm

StCapps wrote:You are political misfit...
Take that as a compliment.

I would hate to be anything but. 8-)
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Re: THE ERA OF TRUMP

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:48 pm

DrYouth wrote:
StCapps wrote:You are political misfit...
Take that as a compliment.

I would hate to be anything but. 8-)
Sigh... I don't really believe that anyone shares all of my political views, but this seems more like a convenient way to dismiss the issue.

Whatevs, this hill ain't worth dying on. :ugeek:
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