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Post by jbird4049 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:22 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:Alas Babylon was a game-changer. I am not sure why we went from stuff like Alas Babylon one summer to Ethan Frome in the next. Probably some feminist took over the reading assignments.

Really, I blame feminism for the guy who tried to murder those republicans. He probably identified as a male feminist too.
The goal is often to expose you to many different kinds of writing although yes some of is considered canon for who knows why.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:55 pm

Yeah, but now in hindsight, I can see how Ethan Frome is quite anti-feminist. It really does expose female nature. Those two chicks ruined Ethan. It's really a gothic horror novel about what happens when a man doesn't get the fuck out in time.

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Post by jbird4049 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:12 pm

clubgop wrote:I am not for banning much of anything what gets me, as always, is the liberal snobbery and pretentiousness. You want to do Shakespeare, do Shakespeare. Don't try to modernize it, sticking real life people with tongue in cheek references, thinking you're some goddamned genius reinventing the wheel and charge someone's rent for tickets and when no one pays that anymore go on the government dole so GCF can virtue signal how he supports the arts, with other people's money. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck you.
This makes me angry, and it is insulting. How in God's name is art, any art a so called liberal thing, or even a conservative thing. Disagree with the ideas, and the emotions, rather than give a false label, which then gives you permission to ignore those ideas and feelings, that they present.

All art, all science, all philosophy, and, yes, government are not only the rightful tools of us all it is our inheritance, our gift, from those ancestral creators. They often were expressly created for our use by them, regardless of class,race, or even of personal beliefs. They are meant to be used, not idolize.

And how is doing Shakespeare differently some kind of plot? His works were not meant to be put in amber. That anyone not only has the pretentiousness, but arrogance, to tell others that they are good enough, or do not have the right to, shows true character. That of being a...well I just stopped myself from getting too harsh.

There seems to growing groups of Americans so afraid, and therefore dismissive of, evermore ideas, and to strip our collective minds of bad, unapproved, or just distasteful thoughts. Obey. Say the approved story. Think right thoughts. And trust none different for they are the enemies. Fuck that.
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The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:15 pm

Thought experiment: What would have happened to William Shakespeare had he reworked his Caesar play such that, despite the lines, the actors were dressed in contemporary clothing and the setting was contemporary England, and Julius Caesar was a woman who just happened to be a red-headed woman who talked a lot like the Queen?

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Post by SuburbanFarmer » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:29 pm

jbird4049 wrote:
clubgop wrote:I am not for banning much of anything what gets me, as always, is the liberal snobbery and pretentiousness. You want to do Shakespeare, do Shakespeare. Don't try to modernize it, sticking real life people with tongue in cheek references, thinking you're some goddamned genius reinventing the wheel and charge someone's rent for tickets and when no one pays that anymore go on the government dole so GCF can virtue signal how he supports the arts, with other people's money. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck you.
This makes me angry, and it is insulting. How in God's name is art, any art a so called liberal thing, or even a conservative thing. Disagree with the ideas, and the emotions, rather than give a false label, which then gives you permission to ignore those ideas and feelings, that they present.

All art, all science, all philosophy, and, yes, government are not only the rightful tools of us all it is our inheritance, our gift, from those ancestral creators. They often were expressly created for our use by them, regardless of class,race, or even of personal beliefs. They are meant to be used, not idolize.

And how is doing Shakespeare differently some kind of plot? His works were not meant to be put in amber. That anyone not only has the pretentiousness, but arrogance, to tell others that they are good enough, or do not have the right to, shows true character. That of being a...well I just stopped myself from getting too harsh.

There seems to growing groups of Americans so afraid, and therefore dismissive of, evermore ideas, and to strip our collective minds of bad, unapproved, or just distasteful thoughts. Obey. Say the approved story. Think right thoughts. And trust none different for they are the enemies. Fuck that.
I think Clubby's referring to some kind of Julius Caesar play that was done with a Trump-like character as Caesar. Which would make him the hero. But it's somehow threatening to the Right, because he gets stabbed at the end. Therefore, we must stop funding the arts.

At least, that's as much sense as I can make of it. :shrug:
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Re: Congressman Steve Scalise (R) shot

Post by Penner » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:42 pm

GrumpyCatFace wrote:
jbird4049 wrote:
clubgop wrote:I am not for banning much of anything what gets me, as always, is the liberal snobbery and pretentiousness. You want to do Shakespeare, do Shakespeare. Don't try to modernize it, sticking real life people with tongue in cheek references, thinking you're some goddamned genius reinventing the wheel and charge someone's rent for tickets and when no one pays that anymore go on the government dole so GCF can virtue signal how he supports the arts, with other people's money. Fuck that, fuck him, and fuck you.
This makes me angry, and it is insulting. How in God's name is art, any art a so called liberal thing, or even a conservative thing. Disagree with the ideas, and the emotions, rather than give a false label, which then gives you permission to ignore those ideas and feelings, that they present.

All art, all science, all philosophy, and, yes, government are not only the rightful tools of us all it is our inheritance, our gift, from those ancestral creators. They often were expressly created for our use by them, regardless of class,race, or even of personal beliefs. They are meant to be used, not idolize.

And how is doing Shakespeare differently some kind of plot? His works were not meant to be put in amber. That anyone not only has the pretentiousness, but arrogance, to tell others that they are good enough, or do not have the right to, shows true character. That of being a...well I just stopped myself from getting too harsh.

There seems to growing groups of Americans so afraid, and therefore dismissive of, evermore ideas, and to strip our collective minds of bad, unapproved, or just distasteful thoughts. Obey. Say the approved story. Think right thoughts. And trust none different for they are the enemies. Fuck that.
I think Clubby's referring to some kind of Julius Caesar play that was done with a Trump-like character as Caesar. Which would make him the hero. But it's somehow threatening to the Right, because he gets stabbed at the end. Therefore, we must stop funding the arts.

At least, that's as much sense as I can make of it. :shrug:

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Post by heydaralon » Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:52 pm

lol I think that clubgop post was directed at me for some reason. I haven't gone to see a play in 10 years, and I would not consider myself to be "cultured." In fact, I don't think my point was about government sponsored art at all, it was about how people who engage in mass shootings often seem fascinated with certain art, but that this is not a good reason to ban or censor art. As far as this Caesar play goes, there is weird overtly political garbage that masquerades as art coming from sides of the aisle, and I steer clear of it.
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Post by heydaralon » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:02 pm

Case in point: Get Out and Lone Survivor. Both are awful movies, pushing an agenda for their respective parties. Personally I think Get Out was shittier and more obvious, but Lone Survivor was pretty bad too.
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Post by jbird4049 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:07 pm

And I will have to admit that the man hit a berserk button of mine. :oops:
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Post by Alexander PhiAlipson » Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:12 pm

Fuckin' Philistines, all of you.
Y'all can't even figure out who the hero or protagonist is.
Reading this shit is worse than hearing Dan talk about the alt-right.
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