THE ERA OF TRUMP

[The Conservative]

If the CIA is spying on people inside the US, they are breaking quite a few laws.

That's true. But in any case if it's OK to kill US citizens with drones as has happened...

I think the rules behind that are pretty clear, they have to be enemies of the state... correct?

[ssu]

If the CIA is spying on people inside the US, they are breaking quite a few laws.

That's true. But in any case if it's OK to kill US citizens with drones as has happened...

I think the rules behind that are pretty clear, they have to be enemies of the state... correct?

Yeah, who the fuck cares about some Sixth Amendment.

[The Conservative]

That's true. But in any case if it's OK to kill US citizens with drones as has happened...

I think the rules behind that are pretty clear, they have to be enemies of the state... correct?

Yeah, who the fuck cares about some Sixth Amendment.

Have any of the kills been on US soil?

[Kazmyr]

So it's a CIA hoax, all of it? And all the other intelligence services went along with it. Or what simply is your idea here? What do you think happened? Yes, we don't yet know for sure, but still.

What Trump has said, what are his ties, all they are important when looking at the thing.

How gigantic the whole conspiracy would then be? Because one thing I know is that the FBI wasn't particularly fond of Hillary in the first place, yet it went along with other services and acknowledge that indeed it was the Russians. The idea that this all is a vast conspiracy against a totally innocent victimized Russia is simply a bit too thick, when you include a) the statements everybody has said, b) all the Trump's denials and then people having to resign.

And yes, they did drink Champagne in Moscow:


And when you simply look at what then has happened, you see that a) Trump's cabinet has had different ideas and b) Trump himself has pivoted from his earlier pro-Russia stance. Now it's just a bad recurring dream for Trump which won't leave him alone, even if all of the open Russophiles are already gone from the administration.

No, it's not a vast, sweeping CIA hoax to frame up some "totally innocent victimized Russia."

But I could see the Russian DNC Hack as a cooked-up pretense to start digging into the Trump administration, especially in light of this Vault 7 release showing that they can make it look like someone else. Every time Trump associates are lambasted in the media for Russians, it's always prefaced by bringing up the Russians hacking the DNC to make this look like some kind of grandiose conspiracy, making it look like it's worse than it is. This hack is where it all started.

It certainly has me calling into question the "intelligence community's" conclusion, here. You start pulling on this thread of distrust, where do you end up?

[Speaker to Animals]

It certainly has me calling into question the "intelligence community's" conclusion, here. You start pulling on this thread of distrust, where do you end up?

Either Chancellorsville or Gettysburg.

[SuburbanFarmer]

I think the rules behind that are pretty clear, they have to be enemies of the state... correct?

Yeah, who the fuck cares about some Sixth Amendment.

Have any of the kills been on US soil?

Lol are you proposing that US citizens are prone to summary execution upon leaving US soil? Constitutional rights no longer apply beyond our borders? That would indeed be a change..

[The Conservative]

Yeah, who the fuck cares about some Sixth Amendment.

Have any of the kills been on US soil?

Lol are you proposing that US citizens are prone to summary execution upon leaving US soil? Constitutional rights no longer apply beyond our borders? That would indeed be a change..

Citizens that commit acts of terror, yes.

[Speaker to Animals]

Yeah, who the fuck cares about some Sixth Amendment.

Have any of the kills been on US soil?

Lol are you proposing that US citizens are prone to summary execution upon leaving US soil? Constitutional rights no longer apply beyond our borders? That would indeed be a change..

If you join an enemy power, or take up arms against the United States, then no, you don't have constitutional rights. You have Geneva Convention rights (see: unlawful combatant), but those rights don't exclude the possibility of us bombing you with a drone.

Otherwise, one wonders what happened to the constitutional rights of the people of Atlanta in 1864..

[SuburbanFarmer]

Have any of the kills been on US soil?

Lol are you proposing that US citizens are prone to summary execution upon leaving US soil? Constitutional rights no longer apply beyond our borders? That would indeed be a change..

If you join an enemy power, or take up arms against the United States, then no, you don't have constitutional rights. You have Geneva Convention rights (see: unlawful combatant), but those rights don't exclude the possibility of us bombing you with a drone.

Uh huh, but did that guy "take up arms against the US", or just join an exceptionally violent gang?

Also, I'm reasonably certain that the Geneva convention prohibits air strikes against anyone not engaged in a battle against your troops... could be wrong.

I also recall some sort of prohibition against torture and detainment without charge, but that was so long ago.

[Speaker to Animals]

Lol are you proposing that US citizens are prone to summary execution upon leaving US soil? Constitutional rights no longer apply beyond our borders? That would indeed be a change..

If you join an enemy power, or take up arms against the United States, then no, you don't have constitutional rights. You have Geneva Convention rights (see: unlawful combatant), but those rights don't exclude the possibility of us bombing you with a drone.

Uh huh, but did that guy "take up arms against the US", or just join an exceptionally violent gang?

Also, I'm reasonably certain that the Geneva convention prohibits air strikes against anyone not engaged in a battle against your troops... could be wrong.

I also recall some sort of prohibition against torture and detainment without charge, but that was so long ago.

When you join Al Qaeda, you lose those rights. You become an enemy combatant, or more technically, an unlawful enemy combatant.

If he cared about his constitutional rights, then all he had to do was turn himself in to the marine detachment at any US embassy or consulate so that the FBI could collect him and bring him back to the US. He didn't do that.