Trump Impeachment (Public Hearing)

[The Conservative]

Yes it does. It means you are willing to empower them to virtue signal how much you don't like them, that's just counter-productive derangement, same as when the Democrats do it to Trump. It's a strategic blunder and plays right into the hands of politician that has you deranged. You undermine your cause be engaging in such infantile behavior.

You are missing the point here, the Democrats had no one after Obama... And No one after Clinton, you could have virtual signed all you wanted and the results would have been the same.

There was plenty of virtual sighing after the impeachment hearing of Clinton and Obama, and the candidates they had to place they still lost.

I think you give the DNC way too much credit.
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Impeaching Clinton helped Clinton and the Democrats. It did the GOP no good, it was useless virtue signaling. Impeaching Obama would have resulted in much of the same. Thinking that impeachment always works in Republicans favor, no matter which side they are on, is not backed up by the historical record. You just want everything to be bad for the Democrats, wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Doing the right thing is not always beneficial to ones self.

[StCapps]

You are missing the point here, the Democrats had no one after Obama... And No one after Clinton, you could have virtual signed all you wanted and the results would have been the same.

There was plenty of virtual sighing after the impeachment hearing of Clinton and Obama, and the candidates they had to place they still lost.

I think you give the DNC way too much credit.
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Impeaching Clinton helped Clinton and the Democrats. It did the GOP no good, it was useless virtue signaling. Impeaching Obama would have resulted in much of the same. Thinking that impeachment always works in Republicans favor, no matter which side they are on, is not backed up by the historical record. You just want everything to be bad for the Democrats, wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Doing the right thing is not always beneficial to ones self.

Is what the Democrats are saying to themselves right now. The right thing is not empowering the person you are trying to remove from office, derp.

[The Conservative]

Impeaching Clinton helped Clinton and the Democrats. It did the GOP no good, it was useless virtue signaling. Impeaching Obama would have resulted in much of the same. Thinking that impeachment always works in Republicans favor, no matter which side they are on, is not backed up by the historical record. You just want everything to be bad for the Democrats, wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Doing the right thing is not always beneficial to ones self.

Is what the Democrats are saying to themselves right now. The right thing is not empowering the person you are trying to remove from office, derp.

That's easy, Obama can't run for office, and his programs and systems are all but inploding upon themselves which is why the DNC attempted the impeachment in the first place.

If the real Obama was released yo the public, people would run away as quickly as possible.

[brewster]

Obama was one of the worst presidents in US history, and that's not just me saying it.
He set back race relations by almost 59 years, and killedcjob markets... Tried to destroy the car market, and nearly caused the economy to implode.
Not to mention his willingness to utillize executive orders instead of letting congress do it's job.
I'm not sorry saying this, but for everything the Democrats blame Trump for doing, Obama almost did it all, and got away with it.

Obama Derangement Syndrome, exhibit A.

While there were undoubtedly Dems who were baying for impeachment from day 1, as there were the reverse for Obama, most were like Pelosi (and me) seeing no point in it with a GOP Senate. What you folks can't get your heads around is the idea that when the Ukraine stuff was revealed they felt NOT to impeach for this act was abandoning their duty and oaths to protect the Constitution. TC, you yourself have said that IF Trump did it he should be impeached, so the only difference between you and the House Majority is you does not believe the evidence.

So it comes down to "is it a waste of time". Would any of us agree it's not correct to indict a Bankster white collar criminal because they can hire troops of lawyers and make it very hard to get a conviction that will stick through appeals? Not indicting ends up condoning the criminal action, normalizing it, saying they're 'too big to jail', winking and walking away. That is how the reluctant Democrats feel.

David Brooks had an interesting comment last week, that basically EVERY president has committed plausibly impeachable acts, but what tripped up Nixon and Trump is that they did it not for policy reasons but for their own electoral benefit.

[The Conservative]

Obama was one of the worst presidents in US history, and that's not just me saying it.
He set back race relations by almost 59 years, and killedcjob markets... Tried to destroy the car market, and nearly caused the economy to implode.
Not to mention his willingness to utillize executive orders instead of letting congress do it's job.
I'm not sorry saying this, but for everything the Democrats blame Trump for doing, Obama almost did it all, and got away with it.

Obama Derangement Syndrome, exhibit A.

While there were undoubtedly Dems who were baying for impeachment from day 1, as there were the reverse for Obama, most were like Pelosi (and me) seeing no point in it with a GOP Senate. What you folks can't get your heads around is the idea that when the Ukraine stuff was revealed they felt NOT to impeach for this act was abandoning their duty and oaths to protect the Constitution. TC, you yourself have said that IF Trump did it he should be impeached, so the only difference between you and the House Majority is you does not believe the evidence.

So it comes down to "is it a waste of time". Would any of us agree it's not correct to indict a Bankster white collar criminal because they can hire troops of lawyers and make it very hard to get a conviction that will stick through appeals? Not indicting ends up condoning the criminal action, normalizing it, saying they're 'too big to jail', winking and walking away. That is how the reluctant Democrats feel.

David Brooks had an interesting comment last week, that basically EVERY president has committed plausibly impeachable acts, but what tripped up Nixon and Trump is that they did it not for policy reasons but for their own electoral benefit.

Where were the articles saying Obama should be impeached not even minutes after being elected?

Where were the republican reps that filed for Obama’s impeachment days after being elected?

Where were the Republicans that filed for impeachment after Benghazi, Fast and Furious, or the 20+ times he wrote Executive orders instead of going through Congress to get things done?

I don't remember them at all. Do you?

If so, proof please.

[pineapplemike]

violating the war powers act seemed pretty f'd up

[The Conservative]

violating the war powers act seemed pretty f'd up

Which president?

[Montegriffo]

violating the war powers act seemed pretty f'd up

Which president?

Every single one since Washington.

[pineapplemike]

war powers act was in the 1970s

was referring to obama in libya

Obama decided that bringing democracy to Libya was more important than obeying U.S. law. The War Powers Act, passed by Congress in 1973 in the waning days of the Vietnam War, requires presidents to terminate military attacks abroad after 60 days unless Congress specifically approves the intervention. Immediately after the bombing commenced, Secretary of State Clinton declared during a classified briefing for members of Congress that “the White House would forge ahead with military action in Libya even if Congress passed a resolution constraining the mission.” Echoing the Bush administration the Obama administration indicated that congressional restraints would be “an unconstitutional encroachment on executive power.”
https://mises.org/wire/obamas-awol-anti-war-protest

[The Conservative]

violating the war powers act seemed pretty f'd up

Which president?

Every single one since Washington.

Stay out of the pool, you may drown.

Warsaw powers act wasn't around for that long short bus.