I don't like Trump

[SuburbanFarmer]

CDC blocked approval of other testing kits in favor of a multi-test that they designed this spring. It failed miserably, and cost us months of reaction time.

[Hastur]

I know Germany offered their test and the CDC turned it down. Was that because of Trump?
Having a central point of failure like that is bad design. Every state should be able to manage their own testing.
Germany has a lot of independent laboratories.

[TheReal_ND]

CDC makes billions off patents and vaccines why would their stupid tests be any different?

[SuburbanFarmer]

I know Germany offered their test and the CDC turned it down. Was that because of Trump?
Having a central point of failure like that is bad design. Every state should be able to manage their own testing.
Germany has a lot of independent laboratories.

They report to one of the Secretaries in the Cabinet. Not sure which one, but I'm sure he worked for Goldman or Exxon or some shit.

[Speaker to Animals]

One of the facts that makes me think the "botched" tests were deliberate was that they did not even develop and manufacture the tests in the appropriate facility.

The CDC violated its own standards when developing the testing kits in a lab that was also working with synthetic coronavirus material, the Post reported. This led to contamination of one of the components used in the tests, which is believed to have caused false positives in the first batch of tests. The CDC took more than a month to correct the issue, hindering efforts to limit the early spread of the coronavirus in the US.

Federal officials told the Post the Department of Health and Human Services is investigating the development of the original kits, which was first flagged in January when 24 of 26 test kits sent out to public health departments showed false positives.

The error — and the delay in fixing it — likely contributed to a delay in testing that allowed the virus to spread undetected.

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/18/21226372/ ... ay-testing

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sent out its first batch of COVID-19 diagnostic test kits on February 6, equipping public health authorities around the country with what should have been the capability to rapidly test up to 50,000 Americans for the disease. That same day, two planes carrying around 350 evacuees from Wuhan, the Chinese city at the epicenter of the novel coronavirus outbreak, landed in California.

One sick passenger, who was quarantined at a military base in San Diego, initially had their test results come back negative. But less than 24 hours later, after re-testing the sample at agency headquarters in Atlanta, the CDC realized there had been a mistake, a technical snafu — the person, who had been kept in isolation as a precaution, was positive after all.

At the time, it seemed like a relatively minor mistake. More than a thousand people had already died from COVID-19 in China, but there were only about a dozen cases in the U.S. and none of them had been fatal. Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, explained the situation to reporters by calling it a “mishap.”

“The mishap was unfortunate,” Messonnier said on February 12, “but we have corrected this from happening again in the future by adding additional quality control.”

But by February 8, it was obvious that something had gone seriously wrong with the CDC’s testing kits. Around 50 labs had received the kits, and 36 reported having issues. The problem appeared to be with chemicals known as reagents, which are used to process samples from nasal swabs for lab analysis. Unable to trust results from the kits it had just distributed, the CDC was forced to continue doing all tests in Atlanta until new reagents could be manufactured.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3mk ... virus-test


They "botched" their test, didn't even produce enough of them anyway had they not been botched, and then dragged their feet in manufacturing suitable tests long enough for this thing to spread across the United States.

No problem, we can just do it ourselves, right? Wrong. Not necessarily. You technically need FDC approval to use your test in a clinical context, and you need to adhere to CDC guidelines regarding when you are allowed to test. FDC was not approving any tests and the CDC literally limited testing such that it was impossible to detect community spread in the United States. But one woman said fuck that noise and did it anyway.

The state’s early detection of coronavirus began with Seattle Flu Study Director Dr. Helen Chu, who is credited with first identifying its presence in Washington.

“She’s a true American hero, [who] actually broke this epidemic identified in Washington state when no one else wanted her to test for the virus,” Harvard Chan School of Public Health epidemiologist Dr. Eric Ding told KIRO Radio’s Gee and Ursula Show. “Without her, this epidemic could have been 10 times worse.”

The Seattle Flu Study had collected nasal swabs from Puget Sound area residents with flu-like symptoms for months. Chu’s initial goal was to rework her lab’s testing to figure out whether coronavirus had arrived in Washington state, in an effort limit its spread as quickly as possible.

That request was denied by the federal government, who argued that because the project was specifically funded for the flu, she couldn’t test for a different virus, even as part of something that Dr. Chu viewed was in the public interest.

“Our leaders are bureaucrats, and for other various reasons that I do not yet know, they basically did not want this project reallocated or partly modified,” Dr. Ding said.

Despite the denied request, Chu and her team went ahead and ran the tests for coronavirus anyway starting on Feb. 25, sans approval from the government. It wasn’t long before a test from a local Washington teenager with no travel history came back positive for the virus.

With coronavirus having officially arrived at Washington’s doorstep, opposition from the federal government persisted.

“Even after she reported the results, the federal government tried to stop her with a cease and desist,” Ding said.

Why social distancing is crucial for curbing coronavirus spread

From there, the rest was history. Washington state has continued to fight for more expansive testing, confirmed cases of the virus have increased daily, and large events over 250 people in three counties have been put on hold for at least the next month.

https://mynorthwest.com/1758762/coronav ... flu-study/?

The Achilles heel in their little scheme was that the Seattle Influenza Project was not a clinical setting but a research setting and the people had given their consent for their swabs to be studied. So she carried through and tested them, proving that covid had been in community spread for quite a while.

Where Trump really turned me against him was when he came out and blamed the states for the consequences of his own bad decision, and said the responsibility for testing fell upon the states, even though it was his own administration that blocked states from being able to do just that. He deserves to be kicked out of office for that. That is why we are at the top of the fatalities leaderboard right now.

If you don't hold them accountable for this shit, then I don't know what to tell you. You deserve all the horrific shit that likely will come to you if they continue doing these things.

[pineapplemike]

how do i hold them accountable

[Xenophon]

how do i hold them accountable

Fantastic question. Ok, so bad people are doing bad things, and will continue to do bad things unless they are stopped. Since voting doesn't work, what other avenues do we have?

[Speaker to Animals]

how do i hold them accountable

Step 1: don't vote for him.

Step 2: start talking about demanding repercussions for deciding to go with a "herd immunity" plan at the White House level, and a mitigation strategy (as opposed to the containment strategy that was warranted) at the bureaucratic level (CDC/FDA) before they fully understood how the virus was mutating into something far deadlier than they assumed.

Nobody should be making decisions of any importance who did these things. You punish failures like these; not reward it.

[Xenophon]

how do i hold them accountable

Step 1: don't vote for him.

Step 2: start talking about demanding repercussions for deciding to go with a "herd immunity" plan at the White House level, and a mitigation strategy (as opposed to the containment strategy that was warranted) at the bureaucratic level (CDC/FDA) before they fully understood how the virus was mutating into something far deadlier than they assumed.

So voting doesn't work, unless you say it does. Then it works.

[pineapplemike]

how do i hold them accountable

Step 1: don't vote for him.

Step 2: start talking about demanding repercussions for deciding to go with a "herd immunity" plan at the White House level, and a mitigation strategy (as opposed to the containment strategy that was warranted) at the bureaucratic level (CDC/FDA) before they fully understood how the virus was mutating into something far deadlier than they assumed.

Nobody should be making decisions of any importance who did these things. You punish failures like these; not reward it.

whats the current mortality rate at? that'll significantly impact my accountability index