Game of Thrones - mostly

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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by DrYouth » Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:42 pm

pineapplemike wrote:
Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:41 pm
I'm getting some duality vibes from Bran and the Night King, I'm thinking they can't exist without each other, one dies they both die, etc
He does have his lightning bolt scar...

But the Zombies are the shadow side of Jon's cuckness.

The shadow of the North's compromise with the Iron Throne.

They submitted to rule from the South... and this is their suppressed rage.

The South has their dragons... the North has their zombies.

Jon is the manifestation of this situation coming home to roost.... the Night King is Ned Stark and Jon's Voldemort...

But now Jon somehow also represents the Targaryan south... well it's getting complicated isn't it.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by BjornP » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:02 am

Night King flies off to King's Landing on the necrodrake burns the whole shit down, raises the whole city as wights... Cersei is surrounded with her newborn child and just about to die, when the NK swoops in... and signals to her that she can survive if she lets her son become a WW (like Craster's offering his newborn in return for safety). Left with either her son and her dying anyway, she accepts. She either subsequently burns herself alive or walks into some nearby woods as she watches the whole of King's Landing new wight army move north. If surviving and moving into the nearby woods, she gets eaten alive by Nymeria - Arya will then start drooling and hooting while fighting in the North because of her warg connection to Nym.

Most of the Winterfell defenders die. Jon doesn't, Bran neither. Winterfell falls because there's no NK. They retreat into the Winterfell catacombs, where they find a secret passage warded with the same magic the Three-Eyed Raven's lair had. Unfortunately, the second Bran enters it, the enchantment breaks... and the civilians and the few survivors have to flee the tunnel system. Gendry collapses the tunnels because...he's got a comically large hammer good for tearing down tunnels, I'd like to think.

The few survivors exit the tunnels, only to come across the remnants of the Golden Company and Euron Greyjoy's forces, who were sent north before KL got attacked and depopulated. They band up. They're struck in a pincer movement between the huge undead armies of north and south. Tyrion shows up. Reveals he pieced together some totally brilliant, but tragic, solution that will save them all, which he came up with because of his conversation with Bran.

The solution is either:

1. NK's motive for attacking is that the humans broke some, unknown (though hinted at in the books and to some extent show) pact between WW and First Men humans. Could be that they're pissed a Stark has become the next 3YR, and because the Night King is really a Stark ancestor who was involuntarily used as a sacrifice by the Children to serve as a biological weapon, he wants to destroy both no-longer-Bran and all their legacy. Therefore, Tyrion, through Bran's "interpretation" arranges a deal with the NK. NK will gain Dany or Jon as a sacrifice, and a highborn son every hundred years or so. In return, peace. It will be revealed that this is how the original, first fight ended.

2. Bran wargs the undead dragon, and as NK tries to regain a hold of it (and kills Bran in the process), Arya skewers the NK's chest and pulls out the obsidian fragment in his chest.

3. Bran wargs the undead dragon and flies Jon far north, toward the weirwood tree where the NK was created. It's really the - now crystallized - tree, not the obsidian fragment that gives the NK his power and form.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by DrYouth » Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:47 am

Up until recent developments it looked like Jon represented the North... forced to compromise with the South and submit...

Danaerys represented the thwarted spirit of the Targaryans... the Rulers of the 7 Kingdoms... she rises from the ashes with hubristic goals of ascending the throne of domination.

Obviously Jon submitting to her dragons can't be a suitable compromise... the zombies will simply feed on the suppressed rage.

But Jon is now revealed as the offspring of the male South... and the female North....

Somehow within him the Male principle and the Female principle are in balance.

He is now positioned as "the chosen one" to bring harmony to the kingdom...

But it just can't be that easy.

Obviously Danaerys is out of balance.... she wants to ascend the throne herself... and crush the spirit of the North.

So the tension is obvious.

Will Jon just chop of her head and ascend the throne...
One doubts it.
Will Danaerys bend the knee out of respect for his cool dragon riding skills...
One doubts that too.

So the stage is set.

We'll see what the writers do with it.... But the set up has been pretty epic.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by SuburbanFarmer » Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:47 pm

BjornP wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:02 am
Night King flies off to King's Landing on the necrodrake burns the whole shit down, raises the whole city as wights... Cersei is surrounded with her newborn child and just about to die, when the NK swoops in... and signals to her that she can survive if she lets her son become a WW (like Craster's offering his newborn in return for safety). Left with either her son and her dying anyway, she accepts. She either subsequently burns herself alive or walks into some nearby woods as she watches the whole of King's Landing new wight army move north. If surviving and moving into the nearby woods, she gets eaten alive by Nymeria - Arya will then start drooling and hooting while fighting in the North because of her warg connection to Nym.

Most of the Winterfell defenders die. Jon doesn't, Bran neither. Winterfell falls because there's no NK. They retreat into the Winterfell catacombs, where they find a secret passage warded with the same magic the Three-Eyed Raven's lair had. Unfortunately, the second Bran enters it, the enchantment breaks... and the civilians and the few survivors have to flee the tunnel system. Gendry collapses the tunnels because...he's got a comically large hammer good for tearing down tunnels, I'd like to think.

The few survivors exit the tunnels, only to come across the remnants of the Golden Company and Euron Greyjoy's forces, who were sent north before KL got attacked and depopulated. They band up. They're struck in a pincer movement between the huge undead armies of north and south. Tyrion shows up. Reveals he pieced together some totally brilliant, but tragic, solution that will save them all, which he came up with because of his conversation with Bran.

The solution is either:

1. NK's motive for attacking is that the humans broke some, unknown (though hinted at in the books and to some extent show) pact between WW and First Men humans. Could be that they're pissed a Stark has become the next 3YR, and because the Night King is really a Stark ancestor who was involuntarily used as a sacrifice by the Children to serve as a biological weapon, he wants to destroy both no-longer-Bran and all their legacy. Therefore, Tyrion, through Bran's "interpretation" arranges a deal with the NK. NK will gain Dany or Jon as a sacrifice, and a highborn son every hundred years or so. In return, peace. It will be revealed that this is how the original, first fight ended.

2. Bran wargs the undead dragon, and as NK tries to regain a hold of it (and kills Bran in the process), Arya skewers the NK's chest and pulls out the obsidian fragment in his chest.

3. Bran wargs the undead dragon and flies Jon far north, toward the weirwood tree where the NK was created. It's really the - now crystallized - tree, not the obsidian fragment that gives the NK his power and form.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by DrYouth » Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:49 pm

BjornP wrote:
Fri Apr 26, 2019 8:02 am
Night King flies off to King's Landing on the necrodrake burns the whole shit down, raises the whole city as wights... Cersei is surrounded with her newborn child and just about to die, when the NK swoops in... and signals to her that she can survive if she lets her son become a WW (like Craster's offering his newborn in return for safety). Left with either her son and her dying anyway, she accepts. She either subsequently burns herself alive or walks into some nearby woods as she watches the whole of King's Landing new wight army move north. If surviving and moving into the nearby woods, she gets eaten alive by Nymeria - Arya will then start drooling and hooting while fighting in the North because of her warg connection to Nym.

Most of the Winterfell defenders die. Jon doesn't, Bran neither. Winterfell falls because there's no NK. They retreat into the Winterfell catacombs, where they find a secret passage warded with the same magic the Three-Eyed Raven's lair had. Unfortunately, the second Bran enters it, the enchantment breaks... and the civilians and the few survivors have to flee the tunnel system. Gendry collapses the tunnels because...he's got a comically large hammer good for tearing down tunnels, I'd like to think.

The few survivors exit the tunnels, only to come across the remnants of the Golden Company and Euron Greyjoy's forces, who were sent north before KL got attacked and depopulated. They band up. They're struck in a pincer movement between the huge undead armies of north and south. Tyrion shows up. Reveals he pieced together some totally brilliant, but tragic, solution that will save them all, which he came up with because of his conversation with Bran.

The solution is either:

1. NK's motive for attacking is that the humans broke some, unknown (though hinted at in the books and to some extent show) pact between WW and First Men humans. Could be that they're pissed a Stark has become the next 3YR, and because the Night King is really a Stark ancestor who was involuntarily used as a sacrifice by the Children to serve as a biological weapon, he wants to destroy both no-longer-Bran and all their legacy. Therefore, Tyrion, through Bran's "interpretation" arranges a deal with the NK. NK will gain Dany or Jon as a sacrifice, and a highborn son every hundred years or so. In return, peace. It will be revealed that this is how the original, first fight ended.

2. Bran wargs the undead dragon, and as NK tries to regain a hold of it (and kills Bran in the process), Arya skewers the NK's chest and pulls out the obsidian fragment in his chest.

3. Bran wargs the undead dragon and flies Jon far north, toward the weirwood tree where the NK was created. It's really the - now crystallized - tree, not the obsidian fragment that gives the NK his power and form.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by GloryofGreece » Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:57 am

There is no hermetic occult/jungian balance here and wont pan out that way. It will be Tragic (if its well done) or Manichean if not .
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by DrYouth » Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:30 am

GloryofGreece wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:57 am
There is no hermetic occult/jungian balance here and wont pan out that way. It will be Tragic (if its well done) or Manichean if not .
We will see won't we.
No reason not to manifest Jungian archetypes in either tragic or manichean narratives...
Looking forward to Ep3.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by GloryofGreece » Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:35 am

DrYouth wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:30 am
GloryofGreece wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 7:57 am
There is no hermetic occult/jungian balance here and wont pan out that way. It will be Tragic (if its well done) or Manichean if not .
We will see won't we.
No reason not to manifest Jungian archetypes in either tragic or manichean narratives...
Looking forward to Ep3.
Can we at least agree Jung didn't invent them he just labeled them in the 1910s? As he or Peterson would say they are deeper than his thoughts on it or his ideas they go all the way down since before time started etc. But I also do not thank there a person a human being should or can become some kind of yin/yang - hermetic transhuman balance.

Then there are things like this that explain there are really only 20 or so plots. So which will GOT ultimate be
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/114 ... ster_Plots
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by DrYouth » Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:40 am

GloryofGreece wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:35 am
Can we at least agree Jung didn't invent them he just labeled them in the 1910s? As he or Peterson would say they are deeper than his thoughts on it or his ideas they go all the way down since before time started etc. But I also do not thank there a person a human being should or can become some kind of yin/yang - hermetic transhuman balance.

Then there are things like this that explain there are really only 20 or so plots. So which will GOT ultimate be
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/114 ... ster_Plots
Of course Jung didn't invent them...
He harvested them from myth and legend.
They are based in the deep realities of our evolutionary/spiritual history.
As to the process of human development we are complex systems with emergent properties that defy simple dialectics... so it's more complex even than Jung fully could articulate.
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Re: Game of Thrones - mostly

Post by GloryofGreece » Sat Apr 27, 2019 9:02 am

DrYouth wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:40 am
GloryofGreece wrote:
Sat Apr 27, 2019 8:35 am
Can we at least agree Jung didn't invent them he just labeled them in the 1910s? As he or Peterson would say they are deeper than his thoughts on it or his ideas they go all the way down since before time started etc. But I also do not thank there a person a human being should or can become some kind of yin/yang - hermetic transhuman balance.

Then there are things like this that explain there are really only 20 or so plots. So which will GOT ultimate be
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/114 ... ster_Plots
Of course Jung didn't invent them...
He harvested them from myth and legend.
They are based in the deep realities of our evolutionary/spiritual history.
As to the process of human development we are complex systems with emergent properties that defy simple dialectics... so it's more complex even than Jung fully could articulate.
Bingo.
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