Plutarch on animal ethics

[Speaker to Animals]

Wow, you were off by that much. You don’t seem like you know science very well. Still, if you could show that fetuses are able to experience pain at eight weeks, I wouldn’t support abortion at eight weeks. From the science I’ve studied, you’re full of shit, but my mind is open.

You still torture animals for sausage cock though, don’t you mind other sentient creatures being raped and tortured for your love of gay cock?

In the review, the researchers highlighted several key points in fetal development that are required in order for a fetus to perceive pain. One is that the receptors in the skin that sense an injury must be developed. Research has shown that this happens between 7.5 and 15 weeks of pregnancy, depending on the location of the receptors on the body, according to the review. For example, receptors in the skin around the mouth develop at around 7.5 weeks, whereas receptors in the skin on the abdomen develop at around 15 weeks, according to the review.

Second, the neurons in the spinal cord that transmit that signal up to the brain must be developed. Researchers who looked at fetal tissues reported that this happens at around 19 weeks, the review said.

Third, the neurons that extend from the spinal cord into the brain need to reach all the way to the area of the brain where pain is perceived. This does not occur until between 23 and 24 weeks, according to the review.

https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal ... hesia.html


Not that I think "feeling pain" is a viable argument for personhood, but if that's your metric, then you should probably place the marker down at around 8 weeks.

I mean.. when this Spartan UBI thing kicks off, the men in the training camps feel pain and lots of them are going to have to get killed for the sake of the unit.

[Smitty-48]

Guys got killed in training when I was Spartan UBI, one guy got run over by a track and cut in half.

[Speaker to Animals]

Guys got killed in training when I was Spartan UBI, one guy got run over by a track and cut in half.

I bet everybody else learned a valuable lesson too.

[JohnDonne]

Clearly morality is subjective.

Dogs and horses are soldiers, pigs and cows are meat; is totally uncontroversial where I come from.

/shrugs

Like a gang member, you experience feelings for your gang, but not those outside the gang.

Correction: like a normal functioning human, he experiences feelings for his gang, but not outside his gang. If you were a threat to his old regiment, he'd run you over without hesitation.

And don't snow yourself either. The liberal doesn't feel fidelity to anything. It's all just an act to manipulate people and gain power. It's no surprise to me that, wherever you people took over nations, you ended up exterminating half the population.

I’m thinking autism for you.

[Smitty-48]

Guys got killed in training when I was Spartan UBI, one guy got run over by a track and cut in half.

I bet everybody else learned a valuable lesson too.

They changed drivers in the track.

The driver in the morning knew where all the troops were going around him on the dismount.

The driver in the afternoon missed one and ran him over when he pulled an agressive hard turn.

[Speaker to Animals]

Guys got killed in training when I was Spartan UBI, one guy got run over by a track and cut in half.

I bet everybody else learned a valuable lesson too.

They changed drivers in the track.

The driver in the morning knew where all the troops were going around him on the dismount.

The driver in the afternoon missed one and ran him over when he pulled an agressive hard turn.

In the USAF, they say there are usually at least three points of failure before somebody gets killed.

[Smitty-48]

Sometimes the wind just shifts, like nine paratroopers loaded down with full arctic kit getting blown onto the river, where they went through the ice and drowned.

[JohnDonne]

Wow, you were off by that much. You don’t seem like you know science very well. Still, if you could show that fetuses are able to experience pain at eight weeks, I wouldn’t support abortion at eight weeks. From the science I’ve studied, you’re full of shit, but my mind is open.

You still torture animals for sausage cock though, don’t you mind other sentient creatures being raped and tortured for your love of gay cock?

In the review, the researchers highlighted several key points in fetal development that are required in order for a fetus to perceive pain. One is that the receptors in the skin that sense an injury must be developed. Research has shown that this happens between 7.5 and 15 weeks of pregnancy, depending on the location of the receptors on the body, according to the review. For example, receptors in the skin around the mouth develop at around 7.5 weeks, whereas receptors in the skin on the abdomen develop at around 15 weeks, according to the review.

Second, the neurons in the spinal cord that transmit that signal up to the brain must be developed. Researchers who looked at fetal tissues reported that this happens at around 19 weeks, the review said.

Third, the neurons that extend from the spinal cord into the brain need to reach all the way to the area of the brain where pain is perceived. This does not occur until between 23 and 24 weeks, according to the review.

https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal ... hesia.html


Not that I think "feeling pain" is a viable argument for personhood, but if that's your metric, then you should probably place the marker down at around 8 weeks.

I mean.. when this Spartan UBI thing kicks off, the men in the training camps feel pain and lots of them are going to have to get killed for the sake of the unit.

The research in your own article says several key points are required, not one key point, several. Which makes sense, consciousness is clearly a complicated phenomenon.

It actually flat out contradicts you and says 24 weeks, lol

Having a subjective experience of pain is pretty much the philosophical definition of personhood

[Smitty-48]

Here's a freak one; guy didn't get killed but was permanently injured.

A storm whipped up and the wind blew a modular tent across a field.

Corporal with his back turned to it teaching a lecture in said field.

Spike from the tent pole impales him in the head.

[Speaker to Animals]

Wow, you were off by that much. You don’t seem like you know science very well. Still, if you could show that fetuses are able to experience pain at eight weeks, I wouldn’t support abortion at eight weeks. From the science I’ve studied, you’re full of shit, but my mind is open.

You still torture animals for sausage cock though, don’t you mind other sentient creatures being raped and tortured for your love of gay cock?

In the review, the researchers highlighted several key points in fetal development that are required in order for a fetus to perceive pain. One is that the receptors in the skin that sense an injury must be developed. Research has shown that this happens between 7.5 and 15 weeks of pregnancy, depending on the location of the receptors on the body, according to the review. For example, receptors in the skin around the mouth develop at around 7.5 weeks, whereas receptors in the skin on the abdomen develop at around 15 weeks, according to the review.

Second, the neurons in the spinal cord that transmit that signal up to the brain must be developed. Researchers who looked at fetal tissues reported that this happens at around 19 weeks, the review said.

Third, the neurons that extend from the spinal cord into the brain need to reach all the way to the area of the brain where pain is perceived. This does not occur until between 23 and 24 weeks, according to the review.

https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal ... hesia.html


Not that I think "feeling pain" is a viable argument for personhood, but if that's your metric, then you should probably place the marker down at around 8 weeks.

I mean.. when this Spartan UBI thing kicks off, the men in the training camps feel pain and lots of them are going to have to get killed for the sake of the unit.

The research in your own article says several key points are required, not one key point, several. Which makes sense, consciousness is clearly a complicated phenomenon.

Having a subjective experience of pain is pretty much the philosophical definition of personhood

Now you are talking about a completely different thing. Don't move goalposts. You said the capacity to feel pain. That starts at eight weeks.

Consciousness is not something most human adults experience very often. It's really not that common. I can tell you are running on a script right now. Smack yourself in the face. BWAP!

There you go. Now you are conscious.

Only human beings have consciousness, and it's not even clear consciousness is anything but a cultural invention that arises from neuroplasticity. You should read some Julian Jaynes.