Europe, the not boring thread

[Smitty-48]

If they leave us alone, we'll leave them alone, if they cross into no man's land to attack us, we're going to fire back, bet dat.

Manifest Destiny.

Divine destiny for the United States based upon values such as equality, rights of conscience, and personal enfranchisement to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man, this destiny not explicitly territorial, but a Union of many Republics sharing those values.

Never the less, no mercy nor quarter for the godless atheist communist enemies of American freedom.

De Oppresso Liber, by force of arms as necessary, same as it ever was.

[brewster]

Manifest Destiny.

Divine destiny for the United States based upon values such as equality, rights of conscience, and personal enfranchisement to establish on earth the moral dignity and salvation of man, this destiny not explicitly territorial, but a Union of many Republics sharing those values.

And kill anybody living there who stand in the way. Got it. 'equality, rights of conscience, and personal enfranchisement' and of course property rights, only for the white of skin, and even that's subject to review. Fun article in the NYTimes last week about "how Italians became white".

[Smitty-48]

And kill anybody living there who stand in the way.

America will accept and honor all organized surrenders, but those who live by the sword shall die by it.

[brewster]

And kill anybody living there who stand in the way.

America will accept and honor all organized surrenders, but those who live by the sword shall die by it.

Not so much. The record shows the breaking of treaties with Native Americans was almost entirely by the US govt.

[Smitty-48]

And kill anybody living there who stand in the way.

America will accept and honor all organized surrenders, but those who live by the sword shall die by it.

Not so much. The record shows the breaking of treaties with Native Americans was almost entirely by the US govt.

The Natives were empires unto themselves who lived and died by the sword.

Bigger badder better empire of liberty beat them at their own game.

Market forces are Darwinian forces, the Natives were defeated by evolution itself.

[brewster]

America will accept and honor all organized surrenders, but those who live by the sword shall die by it.

Not so much. The record shows the breaking of treaties with Native Americans was almost entirely by the US govt.

The Natives were empires unto themselves who lived and died by the sword.

Bigger badder better empire of liberty beat them at their own game.

Market forces are Darwinian forces, the Natives were defeated by evolution itself.

What happened to "America will accept and honor all organized surrenders"? Reminds me of "The Outlaw Josie Wales"

Fletcher: Damn you, Senator. You promised me those men would be decently treated.
Senator Lane: They were decently treated. They were decently fed and then they were decently shot.

[Smitty-48]

Not so much. The record shows the breaking of treaties with Native Americans was almost entirely by the US govt.

The Natives were empires unto themselves who lived and died by the sword.

Bigger badder better empire of liberty beat them at their own game.

Market forces are Darwinian forces, the Natives were defeated by evolution itself.

What happened to "America will accept and honor all organized surrenders"? Reminds me of "The Outlaw Josie Wales"

America accepted and honored their surrenders, but there's no promise of a bed of roses therein.

In actual fact the Natives were not even defeated by arms but rather farming

The agrarian age swept aside their hunter gathering ways.

[brewster]

In actual fact the Natives were not even defeated by arms but rather farming
The agrarian age swept aside their hunter gathering ways.

That would come as a surprise to all those killed by the military and militias over 4 centuries.

[Smitty-48]

In actual fact the Natives were not even defeated by arms but rather farming
The agrarian age swept aside their hunter gathering ways.

That would come as a surprise to all those killed by the military and militias over 4 centuries.

The Natives massacred, the Natives tortured prisoners, the Natives took slaves, they were wanton savages.

They had no moral high ground over Americans then, they have no moral high ground over Americans now.

If you are want to fabricate ways to indict America, I suppose you can make up your own kangaroo court.

Perhaps you simply have no perspective, perhaps you take America for granted.

I'm an immigrant, perhaps it's different when you choose America

I can definitely say it's a different perspective when you don't have American freedom and want for it.

I certainly would kill and die to stave off the rule of the Natives, both then and now.

They were tyrannical then, they are tyrannical now. They were totalitarian then, they are totalitarian now.

I grew up in Canada with the Indians, and they are a bunch of ethnonationalist gangsters, make no mistake.

And so are these totalitarian ethnotribalists overrunning the United Kingdom now.

If push came to shove, would I rally around Old Glory and fucking kill them all? Yes indeed I would.

The light of civilization itself must not perish from this earth; fifteen minutes notice to launch on warning.

[StCapps]

Pretending the natives weren't playing the same game America was, just not as competently, is the myth of the noble savage. They simply lacked the power to enforce their bullshit on America, and America didn't lack the power to stop their bullshit, that's only difference. If the power dynamic was reversed, they would have culturally genocided Americans, they were no angels, make no mistake.