NHL 2017 -Official Discussion Thread

[Smitty-48]

Any draft prospects you eyeing for the Leafs pick at 17?

Juuso Valimaki, or Callan Foote, or Nicolas Hague. In that order.

[StCapps]

Any draft prospects you eyeing for the Leafs pick at 17?

Juuso Valimaki, or Callan Foote, or Nicolas Hague. In that order.

You think Avs should make that rumored Carolina trade and take Hanafin and Carolina's first round pick this year for Duchene, and then take one of those defensemen with that pick, epecially with Dallas likely stealing Hiskanen out from under us and all?

[Smitty-48]

Carolina is not trading Hanafin and a 1st for Matt Duchene, that's fake news. For Hanafin alone, Carolina could get a William Nylander, they wouldn't trade Hanafin for Duchene straight up, Duchene's value is not that high.

You might be able to get Justin Faulk though, but it would be Duchene+ for that.

If the Av's want a puck moving D, I would take a chance on Liljegren, he had an off year, but was projected to go top two last year, that was probably overrating him a bit, but now I think it's swung too far the other way and he's being underrated.

[StCapps]

Carolina is not trading Hanifin and a 1st for Matt Duchene, that's fake news.

They have a ton of picks this year, have lots of good young DMen and need a Center. We could fleece 'em, crazier things have happened.

[Smitty-48]

Carolina is not trading Hanifin and a 1st for Matt Duchene, that's fake news.

They have a ton of picks this year, have lots of good young DMen and need a Center. We could fleece 'em, crazier things have happened.

Duchene's value is way down, you're not fleecing anybody with Duchene, might be able to to get Sergachev out of Montreal for Duchene +, but you're not getting Hanafin.

Carolina is not that depserate for forwards, with Staal, Lindholm, Aho, and Rask, they have a D man to sell, but if they're selling Hanafin, they're gonna want the world.

[StCapps]

Carolina is not trading Hanifin and a 1st for Matt Duchene, that's fake news.

They have a ton of picks this year, have lots of good young DMen and need a Center. We could fleece 'em, crazier things have happened.

Duchene's value is way down, you're not fleecing anybody with Duchene, might be able to to get Sergachev out of Montreal for Duchene +, but you're not getting Hanafin.

Duchene is better than any Center they have though, even with his value at a low point. Same dynamic as in Montreal, except they have more defensive depth and more draft picks this year than the Canadiens. The caveat is obviously that they aren't in win now mode like Montreal, but still it ain't that impossible, we'll have to sweeten the deal no doubt, taking on a shitty contract and/or giving a pick back, but it might be workable.

[Smitty-48]

You're way overrating Duchene's value, and so is Sakic apparently, which is why you're probably going to end up getting stuck with him.

Duchene is not a legit number #1 center, he's an overpayed #2, he's a tweener, and tweeners have the least value per dollar, like, Carolina could ask Nazem Kadri for Hanafin, and Kadri is a better center than Duchene, at only $4.5 million and locked up for five more years.

[StCapps]

You're way overrating Duchene's value, and so is Sakic apparently, which is why you're probably going to end up getting stuck with him.

Duchene is not a legit number #1 center, he's an overpayed #2, he's a tweener, and tweeners have the least value per dollar, like, Carolina could ask Nazem Kadri for Hanafin, and Kadri is a better center than Duchene, at only $4.5 million and locked up for five more years.

Kadri is not better than Duchene, he's just had a great year, Duchene plays on a worse team, with way worse coaching, and had a real down year. Kadri is cheaper, but Duchene has more trade value easily, even at a low point. Duchene's track record is far more extensive.

[Smitty-48]

Kadri is better as a center, Duchene is not really effective at center, he's a winger who can play center, but 200 ft game, he is not better than Kadri. Kadri is not flashing in the pan, he might not score 30+ every year, but his development at center has been legit, it wasn't a fluke that he broke out this year, he was good last year too, he was just snake bit, his shooting percentage went down, all that happened this year, is that Kadri's shooting percentage went back to his career average, the Kadri you saw this year, is the real deal Kadri, I'm not looking to trade him and neither are the Leafs, and no chance at all they would trade Kadri for Duchene.

Duchene's track record is what? He hasn't done shit, he's scored 30 goals once, Kadri had 32, Duchene ain't done nothing Kadri hasn't done, and Kadri is way more multi-dimensional, note; the hitting on Washington in the playoffs, Duchene ain't stepping up against Ovechkin, bet dat.

Kadri can do it all, score, check, hit, lead, and he's a superpest, all at the center position.

[StCapps]

Kadri is better as a center, Duchene is not really effective at center, he's a winger who can play center, but 200 ft game, he is not better than Kadri. Kadri is not flashing in the pan, he might not score 30+ every year, but his development at center has been legit, it wasn't a fluke that he broke out this year, he was good last year too, he was just snake bit, his shooting percentage went down, all that happened this year, is that Kadri's shooting percentage went back to his career average, the Kadri you saw this year, is the real deal Kadri, I'm not looking to trade him and neither are the Leafs, and no chance at all they would trade Kadri for Duchene.

Well because Duchene would be an overpaid number 2 center on the Leafs, so duh. Duchene is still better, had the best faceoff percentage in the league, even in a down year, on a bad team, he's better defensively than he looks, Colorado is just even worse than Leafs on defense. If Duchene had Babcock coaching him he'd round out his game in short order too, Kadri looked like a tweener before Babcock showed up and he bought in, could easily happen if they had Duchene too. Don't sleep on the coaching differential and the fact that Duchene fucking hates the coaching staff here, and has wanted out ever since Roy left. We won't end up stuck with him, he wants out too badly.

Duchene will improve once he leaves Colorado, that's pretty much guaranteed, a change of scenery will do him wonders.