God help us all: Ranked Choice Voting will be on the ballot in Massachusetts this November

[The Conservative]

No, because it’s always a ‘wasted vote’, or ‘helping the other side’.

Do you have any evidence that ranked choice will end up with 3rd party candidates getting more votes than either of the main party candidates?

What kind of ‘evidence’ would you accept, given that we’ve never done it?

Best available would be the fact that third-party candidates always poll significantly higher than the final tallies.

Look at where it's been used, and tell me that there isn't a pattern? Seriously... you can't be that blind?

• Basalt, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 for mayoral races with three or more candidates and was first used in April 2020.

• Berkeley, California: Adopted in 2004 and has been used since 2010 to elect the mayor, city council and city auditor.

• Cambridge, Massachusetts: In use since the 1940s in multi-winner form. Used for the nine-seat city council and the six-seat school board, both elected citywide.

• Carbondale, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 for mayoral races with three or more candidates.

• Eastpointe, Michigan: Adopted to resolve a federal Voting Rights Act lawsuit and used for two city council seats (at-large, proportional) in November 2019.

• Las Cruces, New Mexico: Adopted by the city council in 2018 and used since 2019 for all municipal elections.

• Maine: Adopted in 2016 and first used in 2018 for all state and federal primary elections, and all general elections for Congress. Extended to apply to the general election for president beginning in 2020 and presidential primary elections beginning in 2024.

• Minneapolis, Minnesota: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2009, in elections for 22 city offices, including mayor and city council in single-winner elections, and some multi-winner park board seats.

• Oakland, California: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2010 for a total of 18 city offices, including mayor and city council.
  Payson, Utah: A local options bill was passed in 2018, and the city opted-in for city council seats in November 2019 (at-large, winner take-all).

• Portland, Maine: Adopted in 2010 and used since 2011 for electing mayor.

• San Francisco, California: Adopted in 2002 and used since 2004 to elect the mayor, city attorney, Board of Supervisors and five additional citywide offices.

• San Leandro, California: Adopted as option in 2000 charter amendment and used since 2010 to elect the mayor and city council.

• Santa Fe, New Mexico: Adopted in 2008 and used since March 2018 for mayor, city council, and municipal judge.

• St. Louis Park, Minnesota: Adopted in 2018 and used since 2019 for mayor and city council races.

• St. Paul, Minnesota: Adopted in 2009 and used since 2011 to elect the mayor and city council.

• Takoma Park, Maryland: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2007 in all elections for mayor and city council.

• Telluride, Colorado: Adopted in 2008 for mayoral elections with at least three candidates. Used in 2011, 2015 and 2019.

• Vineyard, Utah: A local options bill was passed in 2018, and the city opted-in for city council seats in November 2019 (at-large, winner take-all).

Upcoming implementations:

• Amherst, Massachusetts: Adopted charter in 2018 with ranked choice voting and passing implementation statute before projected first use in 2021.

• Benton County, Oregon: Adopted by voters in 2016 for general elections for county offices of sheriff and commissioner. It will be used in November 2020.

• Easthampton, MA: Adopted in 2019 and to be used in mayoral and all single-seat city council elections starting in 2021

• New York City: Adopted in 2019 and to be used in all city primary and special elections starting in 2021.

• Palm Desert, California: Adopted January 2020 to be used for city council elections in November 2022 as part of a California Voting Rights Act settlement. One district elected in single winner elections, with the rest of the city electing in staggered two-winner multi winner elections (proportional).

[PartyOf5]

Do you have any evidence that ranked choice will end up with 3rd party candidates getting more votes than either of the main party candidates?

What kind of ‘evidence’ would you accept, given that we’ve never done it?

Best available would be the fact that third-party candidates always poll significantly higher than the final tallies.

So you have zero evidence. Yet you are convinced that 3rd party candidates would benefit from a system you do not even understand.

[PartyOf5]

Look at where it's been used, and tell me that there isn't a pattern? Seriously... you can't be that blind?

• Basalt, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 for mayoral races with three or more candidates and was first used in April 2020.

• Berkeley, California: Adopted in 2004 and has been used since 2010 to elect the mayor, city council and city auditor.

• Cambridge, Massachusetts: In use since the 1940s in multi-winner form. Used for the nine-seat city council and the six-seat school board, both elected citywide.

• Carbondale, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 for mayoral races with three or more candidates.

• Eastpointe, Michigan: Adopted to resolve a federal Voting Rights Act lawsuit and used for two city council seats (at-large, proportional) in November 2019.

• Las Cruces, New Mexico: Adopted by the city council in 2018 and used since 2019 for all municipal elections.

• Maine: Adopted in 2016 and first used in 2018 for all state and federal primary elections, and all general elections for Congress. Extended to apply to the general election for president beginning in 2020 and presidential primary elections beginning in 2024.

• Minneapolis, Minnesota: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2009, in elections for 22 city offices, including mayor and city council in single-winner elections, and some multi-winner park board seats.

• Oakland, California: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2010 for a total of 18 city offices, including mayor and city council.
  Payson, Utah: A local options bill was passed in 2018, and the city opted-in for city council seats in November 2019 (at-large, winner take-all).

• Portland, Maine: Adopted in 2010 and used since 2011 for electing mayor.

• San Francisco, California: Adopted in 2002 and used since 2004 to elect the mayor, city attorney, Board of Supervisors and five additional citywide offices.

• San Leandro, California: Adopted as option in 2000 charter amendment and used since 2010 to elect the mayor and city council.

• Santa Fe, New Mexico: Adopted in 2008 and used since March 2018 for mayor, city council, and municipal judge.

• St. Louis Park, Minnesota: Adopted in 2018 and used since 2019 for mayor and city council races.

• St. Paul, Minnesota: Adopted in 2009 and used since 2011 to elect the mayor and city council.

• Takoma Park, Maryland: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2007 in all elections for mayor and city council.

• Telluride, Colorado: Adopted in 2008 for mayoral elections with at least three candidates. Used in 2011, 2015 and 2019.

• Vineyard, Utah: A local options bill was passed in 2018, and the city opted-in for city council seats in November 2019 (at-large, winner take-all).

Upcoming implementations:

• Amherst, Massachusetts: Adopted charter in 2018 with ranked choice voting and passing implementation statute before projected first use in 2021.

• Benton County, Oregon: Adopted by voters in 2016 for general elections for county offices of sheriff and commissioner. It will be used in November 2020.

• Easthampton, MA: Adopted in 2019 and to be used in mayoral and all single-seat city council elections starting in 2021

• New York City: Adopted in 2019 and to be used in all city primary and special elections starting in 2021.

• Palm Desert, California: Adopted January 2020 to be used for city council elections in November 2022 as part of a California Voting Rights Act settlement. One district elected in single winner elections, with the rest of the city electing in staggered two-winner multi winner elections (proportional).

What's your point with all that?

[Martin Hash]

As a federal candidate, I got a questionaire in the snailmail asking me to endorse & commit to RCV. I didn't even open the envelop because I thought it was so far from really happening; little did I know...

[The Conservative]

Look at where it's been used, and tell me that there isn't a pattern? Seriously... you can't be that blind?

• Basalt, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 for mayoral races with three or more candidates and was first used in April 2020.

• Berkeley, California: Adopted in 2004 and has been used since 2010 to elect the mayor, city council and city auditor.

• Cambridge, Massachusetts: In use since the 1940s in multi-winner form. Used for the nine-seat city council and the six-seat school board, both elected citywide.

• Carbondale, Colorado: Adopted in 2002 for mayoral races with three or more candidates.

• Eastpointe, Michigan: Adopted to resolve a federal Voting Rights Act lawsuit and used for two city council seats (at-large, proportional) in November 2019.

• Las Cruces, New Mexico: Adopted by the city council in 2018 and used since 2019 for all municipal elections.

• Maine: Adopted in 2016 and first used in 2018 for all state and federal primary elections, and all general elections for Congress. Extended to apply to the general election for president beginning in 2020 and presidential primary elections beginning in 2024.

• Minneapolis, Minnesota: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2009, in elections for 22 city offices, including mayor and city council in single-winner elections, and some multi-winner park board seats.

• Oakland, California: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2010 for a total of 18 city offices, including mayor and city council.
  Payson, Utah: A local options bill was passed in 2018, and the city opted-in for city council seats in November 2019 (at-large, winner take-all).

• Portland, Maine: Adopted in 2010 and used since 2011 for electing mayor.

• San Francisco, California: Adopted in 2002 and used since 2004 to elect the mayor, city attorney, Board of Supervisors and five additional citywide offices.

• San Leandro, California: Adopted as option in 2000 charter amendment and used since 2010 to elect the mayor and city council.

• Santa Fe, New Mexico: Adopted in 2008 and used since March 2018 for mayor, city council, and municipal judge.

• St. Louis Park, Minnesota: Adopted in 2018 and used since 2019 for mayor and city council races.

• St. Paul, Minnesota: Adopted in 2009 and used since 2011 to elect the mayor and city council.

• Takoma Park, Maryland: Adopted in 2006 and used since 2007 in all elections for mayor and city council.

• Telluride, Colorado: Adopted in 2008 for mayoral elections with at least three candidates. Used in 2011, 2015 and 2019.

• Vineyard, Utah: A local options bill was passed in 2018, and the city opted-in for city council seats in November 2019 (at-large, winner take-all).

Upcoming implementations:

• Amherst, Massachusetts: Adopted charter in 2018 with ranked choice voting and passing implementation statute before projected first use in 2021.

• Benton County, Oregon: Adopted by voters in 2016 for general elections for county offices of sheriff and commissioner. It will be used in November 2020.

• Easthampton, MA: Adopted in 2019 and to be used in mayoral and all single-seat city council elections starting in 2021

• New York City: Adopted in 2019 and to be used in all city primary and special elections starting in 2021.

• Palm Desert, California: Adopted January 2020 to be used for city council elections in November 2022 as part of a California Voting Rights Act settlement. One district elected in single winner elections, with the rest of the city electing in staggered two-winner multi winner elections (proportional).

What's your point with all that?

Did you not read the question at the top?

[PartyOf5]

Did you not read the question at the top?

State your point.

[SuburbanFarmer]

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[The Conservative]

Did you not read the question at the top?

State your point.

Every place that has been trying it, or is going to try it is a liberal stronghold or general clusterfuck.

[PartyOf5]

Did you not read the question at the top?

State your point.

Every place that has been trying it, or is going to try it is a liberal stronghold or general clusterfuck.

That was your entire point? Next step. What does that mean to you?

[The Conservative]

State your point.

Every place that has been trying it, or is going to try it is a liberal stronghold or general clusterfuck.

That was your entire point? Next step. What does that mean to you?

Do you remember what happened with Gay Marriage? Are you really that obtuse that you can't see the correlation?