Bjorn is a Stalinist?

[BjornP]

It absolutely is an ideology. IT was the default ideology for billions of people for the 20th century well over a billion today in China. It was called Marxism


Shit, the proto Marxist French Revolution had Egality in their creed.

Or did they not teach you that in communist university?

Accusations of Marxism by people like you, should be taken with the excat same seriousness and gravitas as accusations of "Rayciss!" and "Sexiss!". You have absolutely no idea what that word means anymore, and I take that bullshit accusation as the excat same as the accusation of some purple-haired SJW who paints everything as being evidence of racist/sexist oppression. I'm too fucking smart to take that seriously.

"Egality" is simply equality, HD. Do you consider equality before the law, Marxist? A slippery slope towards Soviet-style gulags?

You are being dishonest. Equality before the law means that the laws apply to everyone. It has nothing at fucking all to do with socialist policies which are equality of outcome oriented. You know this, but you are a Stalinist so you will not admit the truth.

Since you have nobles, your nation is by default not equality under the law btw. It is far shittier than America and is cold and a lousy place. Losers and ISIS sympathizers comprise its citizenry for the most part.

Also, its funny how you are trying to snow me. In Demark, you are are working for the govt till Thurs morning. 60% and up to 75% of your income is stolen, and you don't blink. That is sick and un American.

You are so brainwashed that you think people who question the govt are insane. And nice false equivalency. No, I'm nothing like a purple haired gender studies dike. The fact that you are cool with your finances being taken by your Stalinist govt shows how effective the brainwashing and infantilization campaign your Marxist govt has engaged in was.

I am being completely honest about what I actually believe in. I don't become "dishonest" because I don't validate your expectations.

Nobles in Denmark don't have any special rights or privileges in Denmark, at all. They were abolished in 1849. And yes, I see that you're being at least partially funny or - if I'm not mistaken - trying to impose a little levity into the discussion. Genuinely appreciate that, if that's the case - even if you wildly disagree with me.

[BjornP]

Second, taxes are to stop wealth concentration, not to provide money for anything else, because other people assume they are owed the taxes, and they are not. Burn the fucking money.

If you're not going to use taxes you accumulate to invest back into the society that paid them, there is only one single, sensible thing to do: Burn the Government and shoot the tax collectors.

[Hastur]

Far be from me to disappoint your expectations, so I clicked the 60% tax rate one. And working class people on average pay 33.8% of their income in taxes, and I love true liberty and sensible capitalism. And monarchy, state religion and not having a minimum wage. There's a word for things that aren't Danish: Inferior.

Those 33.8%, does that include payroll tax and VAT?

No, then it's maybe 20 percentage points higher, if that was the number I was supposed to have used. Not sure which is the most accurate, then:

https://www.mm.dk/tjekdet/artikel/skattetryk

We are being sold the idea that we have a progressive tax system because the income tax is set up that way. The reality is that our welfare state is financed by the working class. Capital gains is taxed much less than work and workers spend most of their wages which leads to VAT tax on already taxed money. Same thing with special taxes like fuel, road, alcohol and tobacco. The percentage is much higher for low income earners. The payroll tax is more or less invisible to the workers. You live in a lie if you believe the rich pay for it.

[BjornP]

No, then it's maybe 20 percentage points higher, if that was the number I was supposed to have used. Not sure which is the most accurate, then:

https://www.mm.dk/tjekdet/artikel/skattetryk

We are being sold the idea that we have a progressive tax system because the income tax is set up that way. The reality is that our welfare state is financed by the working class. Capital gains is taxed much less than work and workers spend most of their wages which leads to VAT tax on already taxed money. Same thing with special taxes like fuel, road, alcohol and tobacco. The percentage is much higher for low income earners. The payroll tax is more or less invisible to the workers. You live in a lie if you believe the rich pay for it.

I believe the rich pay for it? Nah, I am fully aware that it's the middle and working class that fund the welfare state, particularly since alot of companies just moved their administrative headquarters to Luxembourg og the Netherlands. I don't happen to believe that the solution to that problem is to decrease the welfare system even further or make it easier to dodge taxes.

[Martin Hash]

Second, taxes are to stop wealth concentration, not to provide money for anything else, because other people assume they are owed the taxes, and they are not. Burn the fucking money.

If you're not going to use taxes you accumulate to invest back into the society that paid them, there is only one single, sensible thing to do: Burn the Government and shoot the tax collectors.

You’re thinking too much like an accountant (I actually am an accountant); money is imaginary, and can be created as needed, as it has been for the past couple of decades. Just keep production = consumption.

[BjornP]

By not spending the taxes on investing it back into society, you miss out improving the productivity of the citizenry. A better educated, more healthy citizenry, is a more productive one. And that's just consumption. A more educated one - in other matters than just that which benefits consumption, is also a citizenry that can be become more involved and engaged in politics. Meaning government becomes less able to cheat, lie and manipulate the people, since the people know their rights, are more likely to be better informed about decisions their government claims are in their best interests.

Waste not, want not.

[Martin Hash]

Creating a sense of entitlement negates whatever value you’re imagining. Need money, print it.

[heydaralon]

By not spending the taxes on investing it back into society, you miss out improving the productivity of the citizenry. A better educated, more healthy citizenry, is a more productive one. And that's just consumption. A more educated one - in other matters than just that which benefits consumption, is also a citizenry that can be become more involved and engaged in politics. Meaning government becomes less able to cheat, lie and manipulate the people, since the people know their rights, are more likely to be better informed about decisions their government claims are in their best interests.

Waste not, want not.

I remember when I believed that bullshit.

You are extremely naive assuming that govt wants their society to be educated. The correct and only word is indoctrinated. Have you ever met a teacher in public school that questioned public school? I haven't.

Gov't becomes less able to cheat? pull my other leg. Your gov't cheats your poorest citizens out of over one third of their money, and you probably out of 2/3 of it and you are copacetic. You live in such a bubble.

And this creates a feedback loop. We need to steal all the citizens money because we have to support these programs. The programs support the govt, which steals and then uses them to steal more.

The free market can more efficiently provide any of the services that your parasite govt taxes you for.

Its truly evil man. One day maybe you will wake the fuck up.

Evil.

[BjornP]

"Entitlement" implies that citizens are somehow insolent to ask that their government works for them, that it improves the general welfare of those who fund the government. If a majority don't want to give more opportunities to their fellow citizens, that's fair. That's the only legitimate mandate. The mandate doesn't come from government, nor should the mandate be sought from it.

[heydaralon]

"Entitlement" implies that citizens are somehow insolent to ask that their government works for them, that it improves the general welfare of those who fund the government. If a majority don't want to give more opportunities to their fellow citizens, that's fair. That's the only legitimate mandate. The mandate doesn't come from government, nor should the mandate be sought from it.

Entitlement is being a human tapeworm. It means being supported by the theft of others' labor, and thinking that you deserve or are entitled to their resources, when you didn't do shit to earn it and demanding the govt steal from others to support your lowlife-ass-ery.



Entitlement is Europe in a nutshell. Good thing Europe is irrelevant now and doesn't control shit. It is crumbling and not fast enough.