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[StCapps]

You have to have both because of the cap. Not to mention an ownership that wants to win.

Not just ownership who wants to win, but ownership who refuses to meddle and let the GM and coach do their jobs without needless interference. Meddlesome ownership caring so much about winning that they stick their nose into everything is bad juju, so it can be a double-edged sword. Ownership should stick to being owners, not pretending they are GM's or coaches to the team's detriment.

The GM should stick to being a GM, the coach should stick to coaching, unless you have a Belichick, of which there is only one, and the Bears ain't getting their hands on him.

Peyton Manning practically ran all aspects of the Broncos for a year and took them straight to a super bowl. You’re seriously telling me that this can’t be done by anyone but Belichik?

Yup. Peyton Manning did not run the Broncos, most of the pieces were in place before he arrived. They just needed a QB better than Cutler. Letting players play GM is usually even dumber than letting owners play GM. Stop looking for outliers and pretending they are the rule, they are not.

You need a real GM, a real coach and a real owner, and they need to let each other do their jobs without meddling, not try to wear multiple hats and step on each others toes, let alone let a player be GM fool.

Most of the teams who win Super Bowls follow that pattern, stop trying to emulate outliers that can't be replicated.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Not just ownership who wants to win, but ownership who refuses to meddle and let the GM and coach do their jobs without needless interference. Meddlesome ownership caring so much about winning that they stick their nose into everything is bad juju, so it can be a double-edged sword. Ownership should stick to being owners, not pretending they are GM's or coaches to the team's detriment.

The GM should stick to being a GM, the coach should stick to coaching, unless you have a Belichick, of which there is only one, and the Bears ain't getting their hands on him.

Peyton Manning practically ran all aspects of the Broncos for a year and took them straight to a super bowl. You’re seriously telling me that this can’t be done by anyone but Belichik?

Yup. Peyton Manning did not run the Broncos, most of the pieces were in place before he arrived. They just needed a QB better than Cutler. Letting players play GM is usually even dumber than letting owners play GM. Stop looking for outliers and pretending they are the rule, they are not.

You need a real GM, a real coach and a real owner, and they need to let each other do their jobs without meddling, not try to wear multiple hats and step on each others toes, let alone let a player be GM fool.

Most of the teams who win Super Bowls follow that pattern, stop trying to emulate outliers that can't be replicated.

You just stated ‘nobody else is doing it, so it can’t work’.

[StCapps]

Peyton Manning practically ran all aspects of the Broncos for a year and took them straight to a super bowl. You’re seriously telling me that this can’t be done by anyone but Belichik?

Yup. Peyton Manning did not run the Broncos, most of the pieces were in place before he arrived. They just needed a QB better than Cutler. Letting players play GM is usually even dumber than letting owners play GM. Stop looking for outliers and pretending they are the rule, they are not.

You need a real GM, a real coach and a real owner, and they need to let each other do their jobs without meddling, not try to wear multiple hats and step on each others toes, let alone let a player be GM fool.

Most of the teams who win Super Bowls follow that pattern, stop trying to emulate outliers that can't be replicated.

You just stated ‘nobody else is doing it, so it can’t work’.

I was saying that Bill Belichick's don't grow on trees, and the Bears don't have Bill Belichick, so don't run the team you like you have Bill Belichick. The Bears don't have a Peyton Manning either, so don't run the team like you have Peyton Manning.

It can work, but it works so rarely, that assuming it's the way the Bears should be run is a laughable assertion. Most teams who attempt to copy that plan fail miserably for a reason, they don't have the kind of person that can wear two hats successfully, the Bears would be no different.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Yup. Peyton Manning did not run the Broncos, most of the pieces were in place before he arrived. They just needed a QB better than Cutler. Letting players play GM is usually even dumber than letting owners play GM. Stop looking for outliers and pretending they are the rule, they are not.

You need a real GM, a real coach and a real owner, and they need to let each other do their jobs without meddling, not try to wear multiple hats and step on each others toes, let alone let a player be GM fool.

Most of the teams who win Super Bowls follow that pattern, stop trying to emulate outliers that can't be replicated.

You just stated ‘nobody else is doing it, so it can’t work’.

I was saying that Bill Belichick's don't grow on trees, and the Bears don't have Bill Belichick, so don't run the team you like you have Bill Belichick. The Bears don't have a Peyton Manning either, so don't run the team like you have Peyton Manning.

It can work, but it works so rarely, that assuming it's the way the Bears should be run is a laughable assertion. Most teams who attempt to copy that plan fail miserably for a reason, the Bears would be no different.

How many times has it been attempted, other than those 2 examples?

The player-coach was a common thing back in the day.

[StCapps]

You just stated ‘nobody else is doing it, so it can’t work’.

I was saying that Bill Belichick's don't grow on trees, and the Bears don't have Bill Belichick, so don't run the team you like you have Bill Belichick. The Bears don't have a Peyton Manning either, so don't run the team like you have Peyton Manning.

It can work, but it works so rarely, that assuming it's the way the Bears should be run is a laughable assertion. Most teams who attempt to copy that plan fail miserably for a reason, the Bears would be no different.

How many times has it been attempted, other than those 2 examples?

The player-coach was a common thing back in the day.

Most teams have learned that they get burned when they do it, so they don't do it. It takes different skills to be GM than it does to be a coach, the crossover is not significant enough, most good coaches don't make good GM's and most good GM's don't make good coaches. If you don't know that, it's because you aren't paying attention and you are just so sick of failure your willing to try anything, even if it has a very low chance of success.

Same goes for player coaches, most good players don't make good coaches, and most good coaches don't make good players. Usually it's the mediocre or shitty players that make the best coaches, and the great players tend to be shitty coaches. I doubt Peyton Manning would make a very good coach, or a very good GM, and if he did, he'd be a major outlier. Being a QB who runs an offense isn't the same skill set as being a coach who runs an offense.

[clubgop]

You just stated ‘nobody else is doing it, so it can’t work’.

I was saying that Bill Belichick's don't grow on trees, and the Bears don't have Bill Belichick, so don't run the team you like you have Bill Belichick. The Bears don't have a Peyton Manning either, so don't run the team like you have Peyton Manning.

It can work, but it works so rarely, that assuming it's the way the Bears should be run is a laughable assertion. Most teams who attempt to copy that plan fail miserably for a reason, the Bears would be no different.

How many times has it been attempted, other than those 2 examples?

The player-coach was a common thing back in the day.

You answered your own question. It was common in the day when you didn't have salary caps, complicated CBA's, multi mullion dollar media deals . There is plenty of examples of a good coach getting GM control and it going bad, very bad.

[StCapps]

I was saying that Bill Belichick's don't grow on trees, and the Bears don't have Bill Belichick, so don't run the team you like you have Bill Belichick. The Bears don't have a Peyton Manning either, so don't run the team like you have Peyton Manning.

It can work, but it works so rarely, that assuming it's the way the Bears should be run is a laughable assertion. Most teams who attempt to copy that plan fail miserably for a reason, the Bears would be no different.

How many times has it been attempted, other than those 2 examples?

The player-coach was a common thing back in the day.

You answered your own question. It was common in the day when you didn't have salary caps, complicated CBA's, multi mullion dollar media deals . There is plenty of examples of a good coach getting GM control and it going bad, very bad.

Clubby knows, because he actually pays attention. GCF is completely out to lunch, and is so butthurt about the Bears lack of success he concocts half baked theories that he thinks will Make The Bears Great Again. Seeing football through a homer lens is a helluva drug.