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Post by C-Mag » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:19 pm

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BjornP wrote:I am just so excited to watch the curling teams. Such an exciting sport. The thrill, the excitement, the manic sweeping with an imaginary broom.
Seriously, the only sport I'd even consider watching would be ski-shooting. Or whatever it may be called in English. I feel too bad about secretly wishing for a spectacular crash during bob-slead and ski-jumping to watch those sports.
ski-shooting = biathalon.

Nerd likes women's curling, but yeah, it's a bit like watching bowling.

I posted some Biathlon stuff here........viewtopic.php?f=63&t=3214&start=10
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Post by K@th » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:21 pm

But what's up with biathlon? It's skiing and shooting. Sort of like swimming and then shooting some hoops. I don't get it.
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Post by Montegriffo » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:25 pm

Kath wrote:But what's up with biathlon? It's skiing and shooting. Sort of like swimming and then shooting some hoops. I don't get it.
I believe that similar to modern pentathalon it's roots are in the military. A lot of the skill comes from being able to shoot straight when out of breath from the exhausting cross country skiing.
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Post by Penner » Wed Feb 07, 2018 6:33 pm

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Speaker to Animals wrote:

I like watching the ladies play Lacrosse at the park in the summer while I run. It's very motivational.
It looks like a great game. It's played almost exclusively by private school girls in the UK.

It's actually a really fun game. The way women and men play it is totally different, though. The female version of Lacrosse is not really a violent game at all. Male lacrosse is fucking brutal. Definitely not an older guy's sport.

Most of the local leagues around here where I live are actually soccer and baseball/softball. Lacrosse is pretty big I think in the summer (I see them playing all the time, but I only see the females playing it around here). I know most universities in the south have teams now.

I rip on soccer all the time jokingly, but I actually wouldn't mind trying to play once I have the pain totally managed. I like the combination of endurance and sprinting.
LaCrosse seems to a Northern sport with Native American roots. The fact that it seems to big in the North probably has to with the fact that the Northen Tribes, in the US and Canada, both played before white settlers came.
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:03 pm

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Speaker to Animals wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:
It looks like a great game. It's played almost exclusively by private school girls in the UK.

It's actually a really fun game. The way women and men play it is totally different, though. The female version of Lacrosse is not really a violent game at all. Male lacrosse is fucking brutal. Definitely not an older guy's sport.

Most of the local leagues around here where I live are actually soccer and baseball/softball. Lacrosse is pretty big I think in the summer (I see them playing all the time, but I only see the females playing it around here). I know most universities in the south have teams now.

I rip on soccer all the time jokingly, but I actually wouldn't mind trying to play once I have the pain totally managed. I like the combination of endurance and sprinting.
LaCrosse seems to a Northern sport with Native American roots. The fact that it seems to big in the North probably has to with the fact that the Northen Tribes, in the US and Canada, both played before white settlers came.
It's become pretty big in the south too.

It's not a game you see on television, but there are lots of leagues around. Like soccer, it's a game that everyday people actually play regularly.

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Post by Montegriffo » Wed Feb 07, 2018 7:13 pm

Speaker to Animals wrote:
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Speaker to Animals wrote:

It's actually a really fun game. The way women and men play it is totally different, though. The female version of Lacrosse is not really a violent game at all. Male lacrosse is fucking brutal. Definitely not an older guy's sport.

Most of the local leagues around here where I live are actually soccer and baseball/softball. Lacrosse is pretty big I think in the summer (I see them playing all the time, but I only see the females playing it around here). I know most universities in the south have teams now.

I rip on soccer all the time jokingly, but I actually wouldn't mind trying to play once I have the pain totally managed. I like the combination of endurance and sprinting.
LaCrosse seems to a Northern sport with Native American roots. The fact that it seems to big in the North probably has to with the fact that the Northen Tribes, in the US and Canada, both played before white settlers came.
It's become pretty big in the south too.

It's not a game you see on television, but there are lots of leagues around. Like soccer, it's a game that everyday people actually play regularly.
I don't understand why it isn't covered more by the media. Even the sports mad BBC makes no mention of it despite GB winning a bronze in last years world cup hosted here in Britain.
It's a fast paced exciting game yet nobody seems interested in broadcasting it.
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Post by Hastur » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:00 am

Montegriffo wrote:
Kath wrote:But what's up with biathlon? It's skiing and shooting. Sort of like swimming and then shooting some hoops. I don't get it.
I believe that similar to modern pentathalon it's roots are in the military. A lot of the skill comes from being able to shoot straight when out of breath from the exhausting cross country skiing.
Yes. If they ski as fast as they could they wouldn't be able to hit the targets. If they take too long to aim they will loose time. They need to compromise and be able to function on the edge of their ability. Fascinating sport.
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Post by C-Mag » Thu Feb 08, 2018 2:42 am

Hastur wrote:
Montegriffo wrote:
Kath wrote:But what's up with biathlon? It's skiing and shooting. Sort of like swimming and then shooting some hoops. I don't get it.
I believe that similar to modern pentathalon it's roots are in the military. A lot of the skill comes from being able to shoot straight when out of breath from the exhausting cross country skiing.
Yes. If they ski as fast as they could they wouldn't be able to hit the targets. If they take too long to aim they will loose time. They need to compromise and be able to function on the edge of their ability. Fascinating sport.
It is, the competitors must be world class cross country skiers, and marksman. The targets are at pretty close ranges, about 25m, the targets are about 10cm, made of clay. The rifles are 22 caliber, single shot. When breathing hard, like from skiing, you chest rises and falls and naturally moves your aim point up and down. Normally in careful shooting you pause your breath to steady and fire. In Biathlon they train to maintain a steady breath and shoot while their point of aim is moving up or down. So they have to sync their trigger squeeze to a point on the edge or off target to shoot. The continued motion moves the barrel on to target as the bullet exists the muzzle.

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Post by K@th » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:29 am

Ah, thanks for all insight re: biathlon. Games start tonight!
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Post by Speaker to Animals » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:34 am

Kath wrote:But what's up with biathlon? It's skiing and shooting. Sort of like swimming and then shooting some hoops. I don't get it.

In the original games, the sports were always related to the military.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplitodromos
The hoplitodromos or hoplitodromia (Greek: Ὁπλιτόδρομος, Ὁπλιτοδρομία, English translation: "race of soldiers") was an ancient foot race, part of the Olympic Games and the other Panhellenic Games. It was the last foot race to be added to the Olympics, first appearing at the 65th Olympics in 520 BC, and was traditionally the last foot race to be held.[1]

Unlike the other races, which were generally run in the nude, the hoplitodromos required competitors to run wearing the helmet and greaves of the hoplite infantryman from which the race took its name. Runners also carried the aspis, the hoplites' bronze-covered wood shield, bringing the total encumbrance to at least 50 pounds. As the hoplitodromos was one of the shorter foot races, the heavy armor and shield was less a test of endurance than one of sheer muscular strength. After 450 BC, the use of greaves was abandoned; however, the weight of the shield and helmet remained substantial.[2]
Hoplitodromia, Attic red-figured neck-amphora by the Berlin Painter, c. 480–70 BC, Louvre Museum (CA 214).

At Olympia and Athens, the hoplitodromos track, like that of the diaulos, was a single lap of the stadium (or two stades; about 350-400m). Since the track made a hairpin turn at the end of the stadium, there was a turning post called a kampter (καμπτήρ) at each end of the track to assist the sprinters in negotiating the tight turn — a task complicated by the shield carried in the runner's off hand. At Nemea the distance was doubled to four stades (about 700-800m), and at Plataea in Boeotia the race was 15 stades in total.[1]

The hoplitodromos, with its military accoutrements, was as much a military training exercise as an athletic contest. Encounters with squads of expert Persian archers, first occurring shortly before the hoplitodromos was introduced in 520 BC, must have suggested the need for training the Greek armored infantry in fast "rushing" maneuvers during combat. Additionally, the original 400-meter length of the hoplitodromos coincides well with the effective area of the Persian archers' zone of fire, suggesting an explicit military purpose for this type of training.

That's one example of the ancient events.

If we really wanted to be true to the spirit of what the Olympics were about, it would consist only of armed forces personnel competing in events that relate directly to training. Think of the kinds of stories you hear Smitty talking about in grueling forced marches punctuated by fast sprinting followed by shooting. Something like that would technically be closer to the spirit of the games.

Biathlon is literally based on Scandinavian ski infantry, and is pretty damned cool.