Minimum Wage just went up to $11.50 in Washington State. The price of milk is $2.68 a Gallon.

[jediuser598]

Minimum Wage is Washington State is $0.00

I'm sure some people have gotten that "raise"(d finger) since the change.

Know anyone?

Anecdotally, everyone in WINCO is pretty happy about it, not heard any complaints. Happy about the paid sick leave as well. My hours haven't been cut. Neither have the hours of the two people I work with.

[Speaker to Animals]

One reason I think there could exist a great deal of flexibility in minimum wage hikes is that (1) There really aren't a huge number of people working for that little, and (2) the kinds of employers who do pay as little as possible already tend to optimize employment levels as much as possible.

I suppose it's possible a minimum wage hike could force a business into a shut-down condition, but if they are that close to the red, then they aren't likely going to stay in business anyway.

Businesses are not likely to forgo profit simply because they want to be so miserly that they would rather lose money in an opportunity loss than to pay their employees a bit more.

Where it likely will hit hardest is in small towns and rural areas where small businesses really don't have as much revenue in the first place. I have trouble believing businesses in Seattle are going to suffer for paying their workers $12 per hour, or whatever. With taxes, that's probably, what, about 24-25 dollars per hour in labor costs? Come on.

I think economic and ethical arguments can be made either way. But I doubt it's going to have a huge impact on employment. Even Walmart pays more than minimum wage now. Who pays people less than $10 per hour for a full-day's employment or, more importantly, why would you do something like that?

[nmoore63]

Minimum Wage is Washington State is $0.00

I'm sure some people have gotten that "raise"(d finger) since the change.

Know anyone?

Anecdotally, everyone in WINCO is pretty happy about it, not heard any complaints. Happy about the paid sick leave as well. My hours haven't been cut. Neither have the hours of the two people I work with.

You wouldn't because its not as destructive on the west side.

The standard of living in eastern Washington is simply not the same, as such minimum wage should not be the same. As I've said before, I rent out a 5 bedroom 2100 sq ft stick built house with a garage on 1/3 of an acre lot for $950/mo (wsg included)

Economic mandates from an ecomony that is not yours can be very harmful.

[nmoore63]

Moore Furniture hires first year delivery guys for minimum wage.

Set your own hours as long as you are here when you say you will be. Overtime every week if you want it.

High School kids and college kids loved the flexibility, and free range work environment.

But really, under Olympia mandates, we have cut down on those positions. We used to always have 4 of those such folks, now its 2.

Just one example.

[Speaker to Animals]

I mean.. look at the average balance sheet for a McDonald's franchise:



Crew payroll is a large percentage of the costs, but it's hardly so large that they would be anywhere near a shut down condition if you raised those costs by two or three percent.

They could pass those costs on to consumers and would be stop buying their fat meals because the extra value diabetes special costs another fifty cents?

I doubt it.

Nor is it like McDonald's is running extra staff all the time either. Who are they going to cut? There's nobody left to cut. I would argue that if a company is so miserly that they are going to pay the absolute minimum possible without getting arrested, then they already optimized the workforce. They don't have anywhere else to go. Lefties got them dead to rights on this one.

[Speaker to Animals]

Moore Furniture hires first year delivery guys for minimum wage.

Set your own hours as long as you are here when you say you will be. Overtime every week if you want it.

High School kids and college kids loved the flexibility, and free range work environment.

But really, under Olympia mandates, we have cut down on those positions. We used to always have 4 of those such folks, now its 2.

Just one example.

Point being: are you able to cut back on any of those workers without telling customers they have to pick up their own furniture? Seems doubtful. You just said you are down to 2 employees. The democrats have you dead to rights here. You can't cut back any further than this. They can raise the minimum wage here and you will definitely eat those costs.

Morally right or morally wrong, you have to see they got you.

[nmoore63]

Moore Furniture hires first year delivery guys for minimum wage.

Set your own hours as long as you are here when you say you will be. Overtime every week if you want it.

High School kids and college kids loved the flexibility, and free range work environment.

But really, under Olympia mandates, we have cut down on those positions. We used to always have 4 of those such folks, now its 2.

Just one example.

Point being: are you able to cut back on any of those workers without telling customers they have to pick up their own furniture? Seems doubtful. You just said you are down to 2 employees. The democrats have you dead to rights here. You can't cut back any further than this. They can raise the minimum wage here and you will definitely eat those costs.

Morally right or morally wrong, you have to see they got you.

2 People make a little bit more.
2 People don't work here at all.

Nick works little more overtime to make his customers not know anything is different.

I actually make a few $$ more with the new wage, because I suck up the work but would prefer more employees instead.

Nick breds a little harder to make more children that are exempt from minimum wage law.

[Speaker to Animals]

Moore Furniture hires first year delivery guys for minimum wage.

Set your own hours as long as you are here when you say you will be. Overtime every week if you want it.

High School kids and college kids loved the flexibility, and free range work environment.

But really, under Olympia mandates, we have cut down on those positions. We used to always have 4 of those such folks, now its 2.

Just one example.

Point being: are you able to cut back on any of those workers without telling customers they have to pick up their own furniture? Seems doubtful. You just said you are down to 2 employees. The democrats have you dead to rights here. You can't cut back any further than this. They can raise the minimum wage here and you will definitely eat those costs.

Morally right or morally wrong, you have to see they got you.

2 People make a little bit more.
2 People don't work here at all.

Nick works little more overtime to make his customers not know anything is different.

I actually make a few $$ more with the new wage, because I suck up the work but would prefer more employees instead.

Nick breds a little harder to make more children that are exempt from minimum wage law.

You don't see my point, though.

You have no more flexibility to resist. They can raise the minimum wage from here, and the only time you can cut employment from here on out is if you just shut down completely because you can't turn a profit.

There is a point where the left can squeeze you down to an employment level where they have you dead to rights. They own your ass when you no longer have the flexibility to tweak your employment force. For you, that's pretty easy because you only had four employees and now you seem already to have reached this point by going down to two employees.

What do you do if they raise minimum wage to $20/hour? Can you go down to one or zero employees without losing customers due to no furniture deliveries? Do you understand what I am telling you here?

They know exactly what they are doing. I don't think you guys understand what they are doing. That's the problem.

The left is going to try to reduce employment (1) because it provides them with dependents who reliably vote democrat, and (2) it whittles overall employment down to the point where businesses are unable to cut back any further, and now the left can easily cut into your revenue. You can still try to pass the costs along to consumers, explaining why the costs are up in the process, but I have a feeling the left will come at you sideways there too.

[Smitty-48]

What do you do if they raise minimum wage to $20/hour?

Indeed. If minimum wage is the path to prosperity, why don't they just make it $50/hour?

Heck, make it a $100/hour, and then everybody will be wealthy, eh?

[nmoore63]

Point being: are you able to cut back on any of those workers without telling customers they have to pick up their own furniture? Seems doubtful. You just said you are down to 2 employees. The democrats have you dead to rights here. You can't cut back any further than this. They can raise the minimum wage here and you will definitely eat those costs.

Morally right or morally wrong, you have to see they got you.

2 People make a little bit more.
2 People don't work here at all.

Nick works little more overtime to make his customers not know anything is different.

I actually make a few $$ more with the new wage, because I suck up the work but would prefer more employees instead.

Nick breds a little harder to make more children that are exempt from minimum wage law.

You don't see my point, though.

You have no more flexibility to resist. They can raise the minimum wage from here, and the only time you can cut employment from here on out is if you just shut down completely because you can't turn a profit.

There is a point where the left can squeeze you down to an employment level where they have you dead to rights. They own your ass when you no longer have the flexibility to tweak your employment force. For you, that's pretty easy because you only had four employees and now you seem already to have reached this point by going down to two employees.

What do you do if they raise minimum wage to $20/hour? Can you go down to one or zero employees without losing customers due to no furniture deliveries? Do you understand what I am telling you here?

They know exactly what they are doing. I don't think you guys understand what they are doing. That's the problem.

The left is going to try to reduce employment (1) because it provides them with dependents who reliably vote democrat, and (2) it whittles overall employment down to the point where businesses are unable to cut back any further, and now the left can easily cut into your revenue. You can still try to pass the costs along to consumers, explaining why the costs are up in the process, but I have a feeling the left will come at you sideways there too.

Oh I assure you, I am well aware what they are doing.

On the one hand, its part of why Moore Furniture offers such an array of products and services. There are formally 3 different corporations that exist independent of one another when I say the term Moore Furniture. And really there should probably be more, but its so much paper work.

On the other hand, grey market. My family can legally be paid whatever we like, and to a secondary extent so can my whole community.

I don't, but can just as easily work with illegal folks if the government pushes it to that. I know plenty of Catholic illegals that would be happy to work for less than $20/hr if the government tries to shut me down for smitty's big business friends.

It is funny though, how folks like Jedi seem to have no idea that their mandates impact communities that are not remotely like their own.