Maybe it's not Capitalism or Liberalism

[StCapps]

How about you convince the government and the nonwhites to stop treating us all as "whites", discriminating against us on that basis, and hating us openly, and then maybe we can discuss the nonexistence of whiteness.

It's always possible that people dislike you for reasons other than your colour.

It's always possible that StA's has no idea why his political opponents believe what they believe, because he is too busy demonizing anyone who disagrees with him as evil and out to destroy western civilization. Distinct possibility.

[Speaker to Animals]

It's always possible that there never was any point in arguing the very existence of my race with ninnies on the internet. If you don't even believe there is such a thing as the white race, then you probably are not worth anybody's time.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh, and LMFAO, I think the point of this little exercise was to bury this:

I was at the gym improving myself for the past three hours, so forgive me for not laying down some facts earlier before the weaponized lunacy picked up pace in this thread..

It was disputed that the European immigrants to America were integrated under the auspices of white identity. These people seem to believe that this Multi-Cult extends back into history. If that is the case, then explain the following points:

(A) Why were the first nations beaten to shit and physically removed to reservations if this nation was not predicated upon and built for white identity?

(B) Why were Africans enslaved and considered nothing more than talking farm chattel by the Supreme Court if this was a multicultural wonderland?

(C) Why did we have strict miscegenation laws if white identity was not a thing, was enforced by law, and the government was serious about protecting it?

(D) Addendum to (C): why did there exist no such laws for Mexicans, blacks, or natives?

(E) Why did we have strict segregation laws and policies that kept minorities out of positions of power and even out of jobs and unions until the 1960s if this was a multicultural and multiethnic country?

(F) Do any of you even read history books at all?? Why am I wasting my time with this level of stupid?

[StCapps]

It's always possible that there never was any point in arguing the very existence of my race with ninnies on the internet. If you don't even believe there is such a thing as the white race, then you probably are not worth anybody's time.

No one said that, except you, when you put words in the mouths of others.

[Speaker to Animals]

Oh, and LMFAO, I think the point of this little exercise was to bury this:

I was at the gym improving myself for the past three hours, so forgive me for not laying down some facts earlier before the weaponized lunacy picked up pace in this thread..

It was disputed that the European immigrants to America were integrated under the auspices of white identity. These people seem to believe that this Multi-Cult extends back into history. If that is the case, then explain the following points:

(A) Why were the first nations beaten to shit and physically removed to reservations if this nation was not predicated upon and built for white identity?

(B) Why were Africans enslaved and considered nothing more than talking farm chattel by the Supreme Court if this was a multicultural wonderland?

(C) Why did we have strict miscegenation laws if white identity was not a thing, was enforced by law, and the government was serious about protecting it?

(D) Addendum to (C): why did there exist no such laws for Mexicans, blacks, or natives?

(E) Why did we have strict segregation laws and policies that kept minorities out of positions of power and even out of jobs and unions until the 1960s if this was a multicultural and multiethnic country?

(F) Do any of you even read history books at all?? Why am I wasting my time with this level of stupid?

[StCapps]

I did not argue that the white race doesn't exist.
/shrugs

You are arguing against points that no one made and none of the points you bring up support your opinion. Your post sucks, quit fronting like it's some mic drop.

[SuburbanFarmer]

It wasn't really worth responding to, but... I'm bored.

It was disputed that the European immigrants to America were integrated under the auspices of white identity. These people seem to believe that this Multi-Cult extends back into history. If that is the case, then explain the following points:

(A) Why were the first nations beaten to shit and physically removed to reservations if this nation was not predicated upon and built for white identity?

Because fanatical Europeans, just emerged from the 30-years war, believed that God wanted them to "civilize" the savages. And take their shit. Because it was easy.

(B) Why were Africans enslaved and considered nothing more than talking farm chattel by the Supreme Court if this was a multicultural wonderland?

See above.

(C) Why did we have strict miscegenation laws if white identity was not a thing, was enforced by law, and the government was serious about protecting it?

Because of SIFCLFs like yourself, frantically defending whatever-the-fuck they thought "whiteness" consisted of.

(D) Addendum to (C): why did there exist no such laws for Mexicans, blacks, or natives?

Because they've never been a xenophobic majority in this country.

(E) Why did we have strict segregation laws and policies that kept minorities out of positions of power and even out of jobs and unions until the 1960s if this was a multicultural and multiethnic country?

We've had alternating waves of immigration and panic for 200+ years. Once a labor shortage starts again, we ship them in as fast as possible. See: Colonies, Gold Rush, Railroads, WWI, WW2, Big Ag, Tech Revolution.
Also, see above.
(F) Do any of you even read history books at all?? Why am I wasting my time with this level of stupid?[/quote]
Because you're a very smart person, and clearly too good for this forum. You should go seek others, nearer to your level of genius.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

I can answer all those contentions in a more concise way:

If our country was meant to be a pan-European, white-identity state, then I am surprised its framers didn't bother to mention it. Surely it was within their wit and foresight to imagine it might come up.

The onus is on you, StA, to show that the US was meant to be a white ethno-state, not on us to detail, point by point, all the ways your assertion, provided without any actual evidence, is untrue.

[DrYouth]

Possibly the founders and many generations afterwards couldn't imagine the state as anything other than a white ethno state... being born in Europe where they were surrounded with whiteness, this is entirely imaginable.

But their founding constitution was based on human rights, not white rights.

And the remainder of American history has been an ongoing clarification of those rights within society... and a backing away from the racially based limitations of those rights that STA listed above.

Therefore perhaps the American state was an ipso facto white ethno state that was striving to be something else... and has become that something else over time.

I guess STA is arguing that the entire proposition was ill conceived and he would like to roll it back.

I wonder how well rolling it back is going to go?

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Possibly the founders and many generations afterwards couldn't imagine the state as anything other than a white ethno state... being born in Europe where they were surrounded with whiteness, this is entirely imaginable.

I find this incredibly unlikely. They all came from Europe, but they were living in colonies with loads of African slaves, and while they made reference to owning humans in the constitution, they avoided (one is tempted to notice how carefully it is avoided, as a matter of fact) any reference to Europeans owning Africans.

I think the reverse is actually true, and that they viewed 'European' as far less racially homogeneous than we seem to. Writers from the time often make references to Germans, English, and French being different races.

They weren't rubes. They knew what they were doing, and they didn't want to make a racial ethno-state because, while some of their progeny would be, they weren't dumb enough to be essentialist about such slippery categories.

Ours is a country based in constitutional law, not blood, and no amount of ipso facto post hoc reasoning will change that.