College Park decides Tuesday whether to allow noncitizens to vote

[PartyOf5]

I cannot wait for some vote about praying in school or something to come up where it passes due to predominately Catholic illegals. Then you'll see the liberals who gave them voting rights REEEEEE-ing over the result and trying to find another way to rig the system back in their favor.

[DBTrek]

Liberty & citizenship have nothing to do with each other:

You're on a desert island. You cultivate coconuts, have a fresh water source & fish. You're the only one there but you can see another island in the distance but you're heard it is overrun with crabs. One day you see a raft from the other island; on it is a person who lands on your island. You can:
1) kill them
2) overpower & imprison them
3) overpower & enslave them
4) overpower, tie them up, put them back on the raft, keep doing this every time they come back
5) have any of the previous things done to you
6) ignore them but they're eating your coconuts & catching your fish
7) divide the island & live peacefully
8) divide the island & be at war
9) become allies, which requires voting

Sure . . . in a 1 on 1 situation those may be the options. Consider an island where you have 100 people and enough resources for 120 people. Suddenly a boat from another island appears on the horizon carrying 10 people. The 10 boat people say "Our island sucks, and you have so much over here, let us join you".

Suppose, after discussion, your group decides to accept 5 of the ten, but the other 5 have to go back.

Suppose further, that a month later you discover the five that were supposed to go back have instead settled the far end of your island, in violation of the agreement.

What now?

You simply say "Well, you're on the island so whatever. Take your share of resources and we'll start consulting with you over how to run things, even though you completely ignored our agreement and are effectively here stealing food from us."


That strikes you as the right answer?

[Martin Hash]

The options don't change.

[Fife]

Who owns the island?

Who has title?

[SuburbanFarmer]

Liberty & citizenship have nothing to do with each other:

You're on a desert island. You cultivate coconuts, have a fresh water source & fish. You're the only one there but you can see another island in the distance but you're heard it is overrun with crabs. One day you see a raft from the other island; on it is a person who lands on your island. You can:
1) kill them
2) overpower & imprison them
3) overpower & enslave them
4) overpower, tie them up, put them back on the raft, keep doing this every time they come back
5) have any of the previous things done to you
6) ignore them but they're eating your coconuts & catching your fish
7) divide the island & live peacefully
8) divide the island & be at war
9) become allies, which requires voting

Sure . . . in a 1 on 1 situation those may be the options. Consider an island where you have 100 people and enough resources for 120 people. Suddenly a boat from another island appears on the horizon carrying 10 people. The 10 boat people say "Our island sucks, and you have so much over here, let us join you".

Suppose, after discussion, your group decides to accept 5 of the ten, but the other 5 have to go back.

Suppose further, that a month later you discover the five that were supposed to go back have instead settled the far end of your island, in violation of the agreement.

What now?

You simply say "Well, you're on the island so whatever. Take your share of resources and we'll start consulting with you over how to run things, even though you completely ignored our agreement and are effectively here stealing food from us."


That strikes you as the right answer?

Keep in mind that those 5 interlopers are cleaning our toilets, cooking food, and harvesting food.

[DBTrek]

The options don't change.

They fundamentally changes things, as options 1-5 are not open to the ten people on the boat.
They are reserved exclusively for the 100 people on the island.
Option 8 also becomes option 1.

So it shifts the entire power dynamic.

[DBTrek]

Keep in mind that those 5 interlopers are cleaning our toilets, cooking food, and harvesting food.

Keep in mind that if the 100 islanders wanted 5 extra people for those tasks, they would've taken ten people instead of five.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Keep in mind that those 5 interlopers are cleaning our toilets, cooking food, and harvesting food.

Keep in mind that if the 100 islanders wanted 5 extra people for those tasks, they would've taken ten people instead of five.

Indeed. You won't find a lot of illegals hiking the desert just to sit around. Those people work their asses off.

[DBTrek]

Indeed. You won't find a lot of illegals hiking the desert just to sit around. Those people work their asses off.

ISIS works their asses off.
US citizenship isn't based on the working off of asses.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Indeed. You won't find a lot of illegals hiking the desert just to sit around. Those people work their asses off.

ISIS works their asses off.
US citizenship isn't based on the working off of asses.

Point being that the entire population of Mexico hasn't snuck into the US, because there are only so many jobs for them. If you have even a passing respect for the Free Market, you know that supply is matching demand.

Nobody is coming here just to suck on the welfare system. Its easier to do that at home. These are ambitious, motivated people - exactly what we need more of.

And they're coming from an economy that is so much cheaper than ours, that they can do our menial labor and actually support a family on it.

You worried about lost tax revenues? Go after the businesses not declaring those wages.