How's that Obamacare Repeal Working Out For You?

[jbird4049]

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Nice post. If you socialize emergency rooms, how do you deal with the people who use them for nonemergency care? My deductibles are so high at this point, that I would be very tempted to use some free(ish) emergency room care for a minor issue.

On those prices, hospitals have a "charge master" which list the official price for everything. Of getting to see it before treatment is hard. And if I'm having a heart attack, I might not think to ask for it anyways.

I think (?) in France, the costs for the main procedures in a doctor's office have to be posted on the wall, and it is what it says it is. Whether they do, or not, we should have that here.

[Speaker to Animals]

There's nothing wrong with using the ER for practical care, there's plenty of bandwidth. In fact, my experience was in that environment: Highland Hospital in E. Oakland & Lincoln Hospital in S. Bronx. It's not much different than using the NHS in England.

The VA does this to some extent. It's actually cost-effective when you think about it, but the hospitals charge huge markups on all things ER-related, so the final price tag most people see makes it seem like a terrible idea. But by design the ER is a very efficient method to deliver care.

[TheReal_ND]

If you use the ER without insurance you are the problem and should kill yourself. Save us the grief over all the nigger taxes every president has to address.

Anger much?

Anyways there are still plenty of people who either can't afford a plan, or the deductibles are so high, that they are often forced into an ER.

No they aren't. We have clinics everywhere. Anyway that's hardly the issue. Every time somebody dies of low agency somebody dials 911.

[TheReal_ND]

Ok. Here's an example. One time I got drunk and my wife as well. We got into an argument over something stupid and I thought I should punch a solid oak door set in a 1960's frame.

I didn't have insurance and to set the bones in my hand back in place at the ER costed me (read somebody because I sure as fuck didn't pay them,) two thousand dollars.

Extrapolate a bunch of niggers like me doing that two thousand times a day only instead of punching doors they are shooting each other over crack deals or getting life flights in to a hospital because a Chinese lady cut them off in traffic.

Imagine all this if you will, and extrapolate that over the course of a fucking year.

Quit going to the ER over nonsense you stupid fucking niggers! You are taking up valuable resources and the guy behind you in line might have just been gutted with an outboard motor for all you know. They are under staffed and everyone there is making bank. Stop it.

[Speaker to Animals]

Ok. Here's an example. One time I got drunk and my wife as well. We got into an argument over something stupid and I thought I should punch a solid oak door set in a 1960's frame.

I didn't have insurance and to set the bones in my hand back in place at the ER costed me (read somebody because I sure as fuck didn't pay them,) two thousand dollars.

Extrapolate a bunch of niggers like me doing that two thousand times a day only instead of punching doors they are shooting each other over crack deals or getting life flights in to a hospital because a Chinese lady cut them off in traffic.

Imagine all this if you will, and extrapolate that over the course of a fucking year.

Quit going to the ER over nonsense you stupid fucking niggers! You are taking up valuable resources and the guy behind you in line might have just been gutted with an outboard motor for all you know. They are under staffed and everyone there is making bank. Stop it.

The part you miss, and where all of our politicians seem to miss deliberately, is that the price tag you saw ($2000) was not even remotely related to how much the ER had to actually spend to mend your fist. It's very cheap to allocate health care via the ER system in terms of cost. But in terms of the price that you and your insurer pays.. it's fucking ridiculously high.

We cannot really tackle our health care problems without addressing the unbelievable prices, the byzantine pricing structures, billing, etc. We are basically getting fleeced by doctors and medical care providers. Everybody fixates on the insurers, who certainly have some bad history behind them, but the insurers are not the real problem here. The insurers just figure out how much to charge people in order to pay out the promised services and still make a profit. It's the providers who keep jacking up prices. It's also the pharmaceutical companies jacking up prices.

[TheReal_ND]

It's very cheap to allocate health care via the ER system in terms of cost. But in terms of the price that you and your insurer pays.. it's fucking ridiculously high.

Here's the thing dude. All these stupid niggers like myself didn't pay them back. I didn't have that money. I never will. And all the other stupid niggers piling in their doors don't either.

What do now socialist?

[Speaker to Animals]

It's very cheap to allocate health care via the ER system in terms of cost. But in terms of the price that you and your insurer pays.. it's fucking ridiculously high.

Here's the thing dude. All these stupid niggers like myself didn't pay them back. I didn't have that money. I never will. And all the other stupid niggers piling in their doors don't either.

What do now socialist?

But that's the point I am trying to make to you. If we have to deliver medical services to people without the ability to pay, the ER system is the most cost-effective way to do it.

That the ER jacks up prices for people is another matter.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

Other than your internet habits, what difference would it have made for you?

Well, I wouldn't have to delve into my freeze-dried food, or worry about whether my survey meter is accurate, or have to fend off an army of cannibal progressives marching out of Asheville into the surrounding towns.

That's true man. Me and my friends were just talking about how much of a bummer it was that we had to scrap all our carefully planed operations to storm Main St. for human meat. You got off lucky this time.

[TheReal_ND]

You're a vector for easily half a billion dollars worth of aids. You owe me a pack of smokes.

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

You're a vector for easily half a billion dollars worth of aids. You owe me a pack of smokes.

Actually, I'm subsidized by a covert gubment agency to be that vector in order to justify high insurance premiums.